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Roverrange
Member
Date registered: Nov 2019
Location: North Florida
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 19
| Land rover wheels
I am wondering if it is possible to fit 8x18 5x120 45mm offset wheels on my w463 g500 with an adapter. Any thoughts on if this could work? I know the g500 is 5x130 |
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| RE: Land rover wheels
Welcome. Please go into your My Profile and complete the sections telling us the year and model of your G, as well as where you're located. That info helps us to get to know and help you better. Thanks. |
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Roverrange
Member
Date registered: Nov 2019
Location: North Florida
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 19
| Re: Land rover wheels
Updated. The G is a 2005 G500 Grand Edition. I am looking for steel wheel replacements for it. I found steel wheels for a Land Rover LR3 that I think would work at a reasonable price. I want to understand any mounting issues or if it is feasible |
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J.R.
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Southern Maryland
Vehicle(s): 00 G500, 09 911 4S, 11 Cayenne S, 86 280GE (sold)
Posts: 828
| Re: Land rover wheels
Has been discussed before. perform two searches.
hub centric
hub bore
If I recall, G wagen wheels are hub centric as opposed to lug centric. A very important difference. |
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Roverrange
Member
Date registered: Nov 2019
Location: North Florida
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 19
| RE: Land rover wheels
Thanks. Yes, I did some searches and see that the g wagon is hub centric. Is there any reason the adapter could not be hub centric instead of the wheel? |
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J.R.
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Southern Maryland
Vehicle(s): 00 G500, 09 911 4S, 11 Cayenne S, 86 280GE (sold)
Posts: 828
| RE: Land rover wheels
I suspect for an adapter, the face touching the G-Wagen has to be hub-centric and the face touching the wheel has to match its centric design, hub or lug. |
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Roverrange
Member
Date registered: Nov 2019
Location: North Florida
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 19
| Re: Land rover wheels
Both the Land Rover wheel and the G500 side are hub centric. The big question I have now is what thickness to get. What I am thinking I need to get is an adapter plate with:
G side
5x130
84.1 Hub
Wheel side
5x120
72.6 Hub
If the G has a 63 offset and the Land Rover has a 30-40mm offset my adapter should be 23-33mm thick? |
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ewalberg
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Past: San Francisco. Present: Germany
Vehicle(s): 2000 g500
Posts: 1887
| Re: Land rover wheels
I personally wouldn't recommend steel wheels on a g500 (if you spend much time above 50mph) because they tend not to be as round as allow wheels. Then you're going to make matters worse with adapters. If your truck is sensitive to tire balance at all (like many are) it might all end up being a waste of money.
Edited by ewalberg 11/30/2019 9:50 AM
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Roverrange
Member
Date registered: Nov 2019
Location: North Florida
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 19
| Re: Land rover wheels
Thanks for the feedback. I currently have steel wheels on a 2018 4x4 sprinter and regularly go 75 on the highway with no balance issues. The LR wheels I am looking at are made by Terrafirma |
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ewalberg
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Past: San Francisco. Present: Germany
Vehicle(s): 2000 g500
Posts: 1887
| Re: Land rover wheels
It doesn't surprise me at all that a 2018 sprinter 4x4 runs fine with pretty much any half-decent wheel. The independent front suspension under your Sprinter has absolutely no relationship to whats under your G. The 2019 G probably has that sprinter set-up underneath it... and for a good reason. Can you drive your G500 without a steering damper on the freeway? If so, then you'll probably be fine. If not, then you might not be happy with the results.
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Roverrange
Member
Date registered: Nov 2019
Location: North Florida
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 19
| Re: Land rover wheels
So essentially you are saying that driving a steel wheel on the g500 will be about that same as not using a steering damper? I definitely don't want that. |
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Otiswesty
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Date registered: Jun 2007
Location: Portland, Oregon
Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213
Posts: 3003
| Re: Land rover wheels
A 30mm adaptor should work fine as long as it is hub centric
Post some pics of your set up once it is done, it sounds interesting. 8" width is a nice size |
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Roverrange
Member
Date registered: Nov 2019
Location: North Florida
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 19
| Re: Land rover wheels
Another option is using 16” Mercedes steel wheels. I am just wondering if I will have issues with clearances on an 05 G500.
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Inkblotz
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Georgia
Vehicle(s): 90 300GD "Thundering Turtle II", w/ 603A turbo
Posts: 3185
| Re: Land rover wheels
Have you tried the Sprinter Steel wheels? On your G? There are some 5 lug varieties:
https://www.carid.com/cci/16-remanufactured-18-holes-silver-factory-...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/99055-Reconditioned-OEM-16in-Silver-Steel-W...
Edited by Inkblotz 12/14/2019 8:25 AM
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Roverrange
Member
Date registered: Nov 2019
Location: North Florida
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 19
| Re: Land rover wheels
I have heard they fit on some early 463's. I should be able to order new OEM steel wheels as well. My concern is that the 16" size may not fit over the brakes on the 463. |
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ewalberg
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Past: San Francisco. Present: Germany
Vehicle(s): 2000 g500
Posts: 1887
| Re: Land rover wheels
That may not be fair exactly fair say. It's simply a way of getting an understanding (or measuring) the likelihood of you having problems with the set-up. Many (perhaps most) of the g-wagens are very sensitive to tire balance and roundness, if you have an average truck, then I would simply argue it's not worth the risk of going with anything less than the most round/balanced option you can find.
I don't think I've ever even seen a G-500 on steel wheels, and can't help but think the reason is the truck's sensitivity in this regard. Yes, you've got a lot of the older 460's on steel wheels, but they're driving slower, and the axle is set-up differently. Well... that's to say that (if I remember correctly), the kingpins on the 460s are in the same place as the 463's. But the 463 knuckle is a lot wider... which is to say the 460 knuckle is shorter. A steel wheel with et63 on a 460 sits much closer to the center of the kingpins, so it will be more tolerant of roundness and balance issues. Running et63 on a 463 is like running et25 on a 460. If you plan on running et30 on a 463, that's like running et0 on a 460. So the mass and roundness issues are actually hanging pretty far out there (even if it "looks" pretty normal compared to what you see on jeeps).
I really like et35, it's what I've got on my truck, but they're relatively lightweight alloys, and definitely round... but still definitely sensitive to tire balance. With stock et63 wheels my truck is sensitive to tire balance.
If it doesn't both you if it doesn't work out, then go for it, it looks like there are folks here that might be interested in it as a low-cost option. But if you're not prepared to walk away from the money, I would hesitate to spend the money. |
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Roverrange
Member
Date registered: Nov 2019
Location: North Florida
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 19
| Re: Land rover wheels
I am ok giving it a shot. I am mostly curious if they will fit without hitting brakes etc. If it becomes a balance issue at highway speeds or creates a vibration I can't fix, I am fine selling the setup to someone with a 460 at a loss. From what I have read this is also an issue with some hutchinson wheels not balancing correctly. That is a 6k+ experiment I am not will to take a risk on.
I assume I'll need 30mm spacers for the 460 wheels since they are more narrow. |
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Inkblotz
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Georgia
Vehicle(s): 90 300GD "Thundering Turtle II", w/ 603A turbo
Posts: 3185
| Re: Land rover wheels
Be aware that the early 463s (like mine) did not have the vented front rotors. Which meant that they did not have the extra width needed for the wider calipers. Which means there is more space required. which is why they went to the 18" wheels i think. When I converted mine to vented fronts, I had to give up my nice factory 16" alloys for the later 18" versions. |
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| Re: Land rover wheels
Inkblotz - 12/14/2019 10:24 PM
Be aware that the early 463s (like mine) did not have the vented front rotors. Which meant that they did not have the extra width needed for the wider calipers. Which means there is more space required. which is why they went to the 18" wheels i think. When I converted mine to vented fronts, I had to give up my nice factory 16" alloys for the later 18" versions.
My 2000, built in Nov 1999m G500 has vented rotors, and the 16" Atik wheels work just fine without spacers. |
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Inkblotz
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Georgia
Vehicle(s): 90 300GD "Thundering Turtle II", w/ 603A turbo
Posts: 3185
| RE: Land rover wheels
Yes the Atiks seemed to be the exception. Mine were the older factory Star wheel which looked similar to the original 460 alloy.
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