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| Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Well it seems someone questioned one of our listings on e-bay for a set of Generation 2 SRS Air Bags as seen in this link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&ssp...
Anyway, Mr. WannaBe know it all Snibble says,
"The seller is no other than the idiot that trolled this site before being banned. If he's trying to say that these airbags were installed in 2000 then he's a conartist. That’s the date that it’s recommended it should be REPLACED. Most air bag equipped w126's are 1986+ models... meaning it already is a 2nd gen car. Some car in earlier years had airbags as an option, but the airbag is no way different. Some I've seen say SRS while others Airbag, but nothing that makes them deploy SOFTER like he's saying."
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Snibble is trying to say there is no difference between the 1986-1988's to the 1989-1991's! Does he not know that the passenger’s side air bags didn’t even show up standard until 1989??
I wonder if he knows that 1986 was the first year for the 420/560 in the US? Yet benzplanet allows him to run around like he is a good source for Mercedes fact.
This is the generation gap for the people who want to know the real deal.
Generation 1 420/560 1986-1988
Generation 2 420/560 late 1988-1991
Be careful what you read over there on BenzWorld.org or you might end up looking like a Snibble'n poser.
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| Re: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Well, it depends how you look at it.
Most believe that Gen 1 was 79 -86, and Gen 2 86-92.
During both those model runs there were updates, with a significant update in the Gen 2's in 88.
I think you are both right, just using a different interpretation of generation/update.
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| Re: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Not sticking up for anyone, I am just refering to how many people describe the model run.
I am very aware the 420/560 was not offered in, what I call Gen 1.
Your point isn't wrong, just not the way many describe the model run.
I would describe what you are saying as Gen 2 pre update and Gen 2 update.
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| RE: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
And the update in 82 would be considered what? Gen 0.5? By your logic, you should be talking Gen 4, which no-one else seems to talk about. |
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| Re: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Rolex - 11/7/2006 4:18 AM
So many people forget the rule...
Zero has no value however it does serve as a place holder.
1979-1985 Mercedes-Benz w126 (Whatever makes) were just that. GEN0
The w126 chassis after 1986 would be considered GEN1
The w126 chassis after 1989 would be considered GEN2
Using the method you suggest makes me wonder how the hell that adds up in metric world or any other mathematical logic.
See you might not know if the chicken or the egg come first but I know there was a Benz before the w126 therefore he is wrong and I am right.
I disagree. The 79-85 is know as the first generation and the 86-91 is the second. When something first comes out it is first. When something comes out second it is second. Try walking into a Mercedes dealer parts counter and say nothing else but the following: "I would like the rear window trim from a first generation w126." and see what you get. I'd bet good money you would get the rear window trim for a 79-85. Now try the same thing but this time ask for a generation zero rear window trim. You will probably have to clarify what you really want.
This is pretty much the way the automotive industry operates. Take for example the Chrysler / Dodge mini-van series. The are now on the fourth generation, starting with the first, then the second, then the third, and then finally the fourth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Caravan#1984-1990
Here is another example: The 1990-1994 Lexus LS400. This is when the vehicle first was introduces and it is know as the first generation. See the link (note also the name in the link):
http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/Lexus1stGen/Lexus1stGen.htm
Want another example? Here - the new Mini-Cooper:
http://www.mini2.com/article389--exclusive-1st-generation-2nd-gener...
Still more? The Chrysler Pacifica:
http://216.120.237.3/model/cs.html
I could go on - in fact I will. Here is a link to information about the first generation Corvette:
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-corvette/chevrole...
Try going to a Corvette convention and talking about the 1953-1962 zero generation models. You will probably get looks like you've got a third eye in the middle of your forehead.
Even Ralph Nader agrees and he ran for President so he can't be wrong.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20051003/ai_n15...
Bottom line is this is the way people who know about car talk and when we do talk we pretty much know what we mean. I understand what Snibble was conveying, but I welcome you to provide us with links demonstrating a differing point of view.
Have a nice day.
Edited by pwogaman 11/9/2006 12:37 PM
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| Re: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
who cares anyways, i sure dont! |
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| Re: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Rolex - 11/10/2006 3:53 AM
BenzDieselTuner - 11/9/2006 1:23 PM
who cares anyways, i sure dont!
Its going to mater to you one day when someone sends you the wrong part.
clearly you must not posses enough knowledge to speak precisely . READ THE AD!! READ THIS REPLAY....Don’t spread the Benzworld.org ignorance. It matters to the people who want their parts to be a match and work proper. Dont tell me bud.
I'm beginning to wonder if this forum has the wrong people. Personal attacks are simply unnecessary.
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| Re: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
With all the OE spec. variations - between countries - that the 126 models were first sold in, surely each cars Vin is the only reliable identifier for both seller and buyer of parts.
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| Re: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
pwogaman - 11/10/2006 2:04 PM I'm beginning to wonder if this forum has the wrong people. Personal attacks are simply unnecessary. Just put him on your ignore list in your control panel is all I can suggest.He'll be banned again sooner or later  The posts of his will read to you if you put him on your personal ignore list; You have chosen to ignore this poster |
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| Re: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Remember,you swung first. I was leaving you alone until you started in with me. |
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| Re: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Nutz - 11/11/2006 11:38 AM
pwogaman - 11/10/2006 2:04 PM I'm beginning to wonder if this forum has the wrong people. Personal attacks are simply unnecessary. Just put him on your ignore list in your control panel is all I can suggest.He'll be banned again sooner or later The posts of his will read to you if you put him on your personal ignore list; You have chosen to ignore this poster
Hey thanks! I added  to the ignore list just like you suggested. |
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| RE: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Hey, what's up fellas!?
Have you all seen my brand new 2006 model Mercedes Benz 9000SUXSEL in 'pearl white 040 black' with tartan roof?
It's a gen 3.7556 v3.2.2 but has all the equipment and features from the 3.7556.1 v3.2.2 of the previous year
I especially like the gen 1.1.2 heated oil pressure gauge and air conditioned toe rests v4.1.1, not to mention the side window wipers with cruise control which are a gen 602 optional feature, it's a real site to behold to see them in action
It also has generation 2.2 airbags, 16 of them infact! a very rare option, traction control 2.1, ABS 4.1.7, also MB's full 'tronic' package v6.3.4.2.3.4.2 c.2003
This car is so ahead of it's time and far more advanced than any stagecoach, each model took 45 years to build
Despite being a 2006 model it was actually finished in 1977 and it has been undergoing years of testing since
I do truly believe the gen 3.7556.1 is thee most superior of all the W126 models
I know you all must be amazed at my technical wizz and know-how(to talk out of my ass)
I have a pic of it in my sig...check it out below! vvvvv I'm not sure what to name her? "Shut the fuck up" or "No-one gives a fuck"
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| RE: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Your right, I do dream of the later G2 interior, no shame in that as it was a great improvement over both G1 and earlier G2's, it would obviously be in leather of course not velour like I have and which carried over into G2 cars unchanged in appearance (different springing though)
I have replaced my G1 velour interior with an almost identical G2 velour interior simply because I prefer the firmer springing of the seats, it doesn't have the same appeal and image of luxury as leather of course but, it is very, very comfortable and luxurious to the touch, when it's been cared for
Lucky for some that leather was standard equipment for the US not an option like the rest of the world, then again, so were the strangled, asthmatic engines...frankly I'm thankful I got the good engine over the good interior
As for car of the month, I actually asked for my car to be removed as I don't like how it's the only one there and because it won despite only getting a handful of votes...bit of a hollow victory and a bit embarrassing
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| RE: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
Cheers
In euros, I believe cloth or MBtex was standard except for the 500SEL which had velour as standard and leather as optional, same with the 560
I heard that the reason the US got leather by default was that customers there would not except anything else as 'luxury'
Makes sense to me, as to compete against the generally more plush and ostentatious luxury brands in the US, such as Cadillac, Lincoln, other euros such as Jaguar and even the upcoming brands like Lexus and Infinity only leather would do, part of the reason there was the interior redesign for 89'
I have experienced leather seats from a 90' 126 and do agree they are indeed very nice, I'd love to have them
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| RE: Snibble trying to say a 1986 MB 420/560 is a Generation 2!!
US guys used to moan about hot sweaty bums and backs with leather, and burning their legs in Summer, - plus sliding all over the place when the road turned rally.
Velour was the luxury option - not a poor relation to leather, and one hell of a lot more durable and longer lasting.
Easy to clean, 'creak' free, warm in Winter, - just a pia to remove cat hair from though!. |
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