|
petermerle
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Cape Town ( deep south )
Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124
Posts: 1315
| Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
I am trying to find alternate boots for these joints as originallt intended ones are no longer available. The last listed part no is A0004631796. Now doing some EPC research it turns out this is also used on a truck 314.051 series. In this case alternate parts A0003380097 and A0003300785 are listed. Furthur searching for other vehicles which use the complete joint A4603301235 I found bus 631.344 which use this joint. An alternate no for the complete joint of A6313380510 is listed together with its boot A6313880297. This joint is still listed on the mbparts.ru website where as the two others I listed are not. Notes for joint say "screwed part of joint". What does this mean ? has anyone used these boots before?
PEter
|
|
| |
|
petermerle
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Cape Town ( deep south )
Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124
Posts: 1315
| RE: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Boot A6313380297 acquired and is successfull.
See pics
 (A6313380297.jpg)
 (May parts 005.jpg)
Attachments
----------------
 A6313380297.jpg (35KB - 4 downloads)
May parts 005.jpg (177KB - 4 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
Boy G
Expert
Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Bushveld, South Africa
Vehicle(s): Diesel G's: 617A and 602
Posts: 1683
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Thanks for this one.
I have tried all sorts of other unsuccessful things. |
|
| |
|
nadd
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: UAE, Dubai
Vehicle(s): G500 2016 LHD, numerous Chevys
Posts: 1285
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
I second that - this is very useful as some countries' annual tests fail you on a split boot even if the joint is still serviceable with little play.
I note from your profile that you have 460s, do you know if this also applies to 463s? As the same initial part number is listed with the parts for a drag link on the EPC (300GE). |
|
| |
|
nadd
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: UAE, Dubai
Vehicle(s): G500 2016 LHD, numerous Chevys
Posts: 1285
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Also another useful part is found here (for 463s):
http://www.hanshehl.de/tipp39d.htm |
|
| |
|
dentsmithy
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Sep 2007
Location: NFA
Vehicle(s): 1986 230Ge, , 1979 240gd cabrio, AD-SL
Posts: 912
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
I don't know if you have the ford transit series from the 1980s in South Africa but the boots fit just fine - and they were only £5 for 10.
Sorry - passed on the surplus to GWOA members a while ago or would have sent you a couple. |
|
| |
|
petermerle
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Cape Town ( deep south )
Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124
Posts: 1315
| RE: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Do you have the ford part no ? or even the model years Would help a lot. These vans did sell here for a few years. Peter
|
|
| |
|
dentsmithy
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Sep 2007
Location: NFA
Vehicle(s): 1986 230Ge, , 1979 240gd cabrio, AD-SL
Posts: 912
| RE: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
petermerle - 5/13/2011 8:23 PM Do you have the ford part no ? or even the model years Would help a lot. These vans did sell here for a few years. Peter
Hi Peter, unfortunately the spares I kept and the part numbers are with the car in Morocco, I'm in England, so won't have access for a month or so. I have tried a search of the GWOA to no avail. All I can say is my poor memory says that the vans were contemporary with the G - that is mid 80s Wish I could help more.
|
|
| |
|
dentsmithy
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Sep 2007
Location: NFA
Vehicle(s): 1986 230Ge, , 1979 240gd cabrio, AD-SL
Posts: 912
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
<p>Can you check these dimensions - might be correct http://www.balljointboots.co.uk/page6.html</p><p> ... have a few different sizes on their site <br /></p>
Edited by dentsmithy 5/14/2011 4:52 PM
|
|
| |
|
dentsmithy
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Sep 2007
Location: NFA
Vehicle(s): 1986 230Ge, , 1979 240gd cabrio, AD-SL
Posts: 912
| RE: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Transit Pn's here - http://www.gwoa.co.uk/node/4666 http://www.pearlproducts.co.uk/viewpart.php?id=3393&oe= FWIW if you type in to google drag link boot:forum.gwoa.co.uk you will be able to search the forum with the mighty power of google
|
|
| |
|
nadd
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: UAE, Dubai
Vehicle(s): G500 2016 LHD, numerous Chevys
Posts: 1285
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Thanks - great links |
|
| |
|
MiN
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: May 2006
Location: Alpujarras, Spain
Vehicle(s): No cars, at all.
Posts: 555
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Chris, the links don't seem to be working.
How does one refit the base of the boot to the joint? It looks like it's been pressed in somehow. Any tips? |
|
| |
|
petermerle
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Cape Town ( deep south )
Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124
Posts: 1315
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Thanks Chris for interesting links, however no dust cap part no's in the GWOA discussion. Looks like that PEARL PART #PRDC04 is the same as MB part A6313380297 which unfortunately does not have that metal ring that clips onto the drag link. I guess it will work with additional wiring strap.
Couldn't fathom out if there are Ford parts for the later M22 ends?
Peter |
|
| |
|
Boy G
Expert
Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Bushveld, South Africa
Vehicle(s): Diesel G's: 617A and 602
Posts: 1683
| RE: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
I have never found anything that works - including trying to track down TRansit boots from a Ford agency that also does not work.
I did this: |
|
| |
|
Boy G
Expert
Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Bushveld, South Africa
Vehicle(s): Diesel G's: 617A and 602
Posts: 1683
| RE: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
I have never found anything that works - including trying to track down TRansit boots from a Ford agency that also does not work.
I did this:
BOOT REPAIR KIT:
Contents: 2 smaller diameter rings
2 larger diameter rings
4 rubber boots
Tools required: Blowtorch
Pliers
Small hammer
A vice makes it easier
1. Remove old boot and clean joint thoroughly.
2. Select the correct size shrink ring (the front and rear track rods are different sizes)
3. Hold ring with pliers and apply heat
4. Make sure the ring will go on with the flange outwards
5. Before ring goes red ie gunmetal colour slip it over the rod end
6. Tap it into position using a hammer and a flat punch or a pipe.
7. Allow to cool.
1. Put a little grease into the boot.
2. From one side of the flange, using a thin blunt instrument work the boot over the flange. Be careful not to damage the boot as it is a tight fit.
3. Congratulations it should be perfectly sealed! I am sure you will be satisfied with the result. To repair it in future is also very easy.
4. Part no. of the boot CJ 0001 (balljoint boot)
Edited by Boy G 5/15/2011 7:23 AM
 (P6070334.JPG)
 (P6070335.JPG)
 (P6070337.JPG)
Attachments
----------------
P6070334.JPG (67KB - 2 downloads)
P6070335.JPG (79KB - 2 downloads)
P6070337.JPG (57KB - 2 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
dentsmithy
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Sep 2007
Location: NFA
Vehicle(s): 1986 230Ge, , 1979 240gd cabrio, AD-SL
Posts: 912
| RE: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Sorry for the broken links. When I get back to the car and my parts I will add in the part numbers for you if they are there. Andrew :- that is a nice write up and that's certainly a neater way than mine - I just used some stainless mig wire which has so far, 30,000 miles, worked fine. I have taken the wire off once and repacked though everything was good. Now, when I grease the prop shafts I use a needle adapter on the grease gun and top up just in case.
|
|
| |
|
dentsmithy
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Sep 2007
Location: NFA
Vehicle(s): 1986 230Ge, , 1979 240gd cabrio, AD-SL
Posts: 912
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Try this http://www.balljointboots.co.uk Reason for edit:- link wrong due to third glass of wine.
Edited by dentsmithy 5/15/2011 8:11 AM
|
|
| |
|
bram_r
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2007
Location: the Netherlands
Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD
Posts: 1659
| RE: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Boy G - 5/15/2011 1:20 PM
I have never found anything that works - including trying to track down TRansit boots from a Ford agency that also does not work.
I did this:
BOOT REPAIR KIT:
Contents: 2 smaller diameter rings
2 larger diameter rings
4 rubber boots
Any info on those shrink rings? Are these custom machined or something that you've bought somewhere?
I think a great way to restore these tie rod ends with the pressed on boot, like these:
https://www.schlepper-teile.de/de/traktorteile/lenkung/kugelgelenke/...
Unfortunately, these boots with metal ring seem impossible to find for the old M14 nut / 18mm cone rod ends.
gr. Bram |
|
| |
|
bram_r
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2007
Location: the Netherlands
Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD
Posts: 1659
| RE: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
petermerle - 5/24/2007 6:29 PM
Boot A6313380297 acquired and is successfull.
See pics
For reference; these are Lemforder boots. Lemforder seems to be the OEM for some steering and tracks bar, as the tie rod ends.
I used these boots on my track bar repair.
I made a custom ring for my track bar just as Boy G.
Instead of heat shrinking, I loctited them in place.
Gr. Bram
Edited by bram_r 7/8/2020 4:40 PM
 (IMG_9365 (Small).JPG)
 (IMG_9369k (Small).jpg)
 (IMG_9386k (Small).jpg)
Attachments
----------------
IMG_9365 (Small).JPG (48KB - 1 downloads)
IMG_9369k (Small).jpg (44KB - 1 downloads)
IMG_9386k (Small).jpg (50KB - 1 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
Boy G
Expert
Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Bushveld, South Africa
Vehicle(s): Diesel G's: 617A and 602
Posts: 1683
| Re: Boot for tierod and drag link joints?
Hi Bram,
I have not been here that much lately..
That looks good. I am now making my own drag links* front and rear - using a screw-in rod end from a small MB truck, so now all four ends are serviceable. And they are cheap. Iirc they are about €20 each.
I will try to remember to get the part no.
* I used hollow bar which i machined first and then bend in a press and jig to shape.
|
|
| |
