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Posted 6/12/2008 5:29 PM
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MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

Has anybody tried those tires? I'm thinking of a set of all-round expedition tires to put on my 290GD. 33+ size ok, due to planned transporter gearbox.
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RE: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

I looked into these but couldn't find a source in Canada that knew what I was talking about, even the ones that had XZL's on their websites. I did find a few places back east that had military surplus ones, but the risk of buying used tires sight unseen was a bit too much for me.

Apparently they are extremely rugged tires, and they look great, but on the downside they have a 100 km/h speed rating, are noisy, and are a bit dodgy on wet roads.

I ended up going with the Cooper Discoverer STT's which have a nice mean look to them, but have better road manners. Excellent on wet roads, noisy but not like a Lancaster Bomber at speed, and decent in the snow.

I hope this info helps a bit!

Cheers,

Michael
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Re: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

As an alternative I look into Interco Tire SSR/TSL 35x10.5x15. Any users?
I am looking far a tall (33-35), rugged but not to wide tire.
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RE: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

try this company


http://www.camskill.co.uk/
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RE: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

hus55 - 6/13/2008 8:27 AM

try this company


http://www.camskill.co.uk/

Turns out that company is about 100 yds from me Hus55. Recognise the name, didn't realise they did tires tho. If anyone would like me to check them out, let me know.
David
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RE: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

Yes, I have the 8.25 x 16 XZL

I wanted them for the same reasons you do - rugged, tall and narrow.

I put 70,000 miles on my last set of Goodyear wrangler MT/rs and if they were available in 34x10x16 I would have bought those but they aren't.

So far I find the XZLs to be quite a bit noisier and my driving style is changing since they don't corner nearly as well ( the goodyears had much better road grip but were quite a bit wider so it's unfair to compare particularly since they are on 5.5j steel rims ET63 which are too narrow). Off road they offer very good grip but I have to watch the pressures. No sand yet.

It's hard to recommend the 825s except by reputation and they seem to have their shorcomings but I needed a tall, narrow tire that will take the punishment of bad roads and tracks in africa. But I don't relish the 1,000mile motorway to get there.

Apparently Gratz took the entire production of 825s for the Canadian Gs- which explains why you can't find any. Mine came one at a time from ebay( £25- £60) but nothing has come up for 2 years now.

 

Most companies say they have them in stock but that's just computer talk 



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Re: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

 
nugat - 6/13/2008 3:18 AM As an alternative I look into Interco Tire SSR/TSL 35x10.5x15. Any users? I am looking far a tall (33-35), rugged but not to wide tire.
yea, me - 34/10.50/15 TSL
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Re: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

If you don't drive much on road or don't care that your ride is feeling less like Ferrari, you cannot go wrong with Interco Tire Super Swampers. I had long time ago the 34x9.5x15 under the G and while it is on the narrow side for some use, it performed really super well on G.

http://www.intercotire.com/site32.php

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RE: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

Piotr,

what do you have in mind? where do you want to travel?
and answer to that would make chosing the right tire much easier
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RE: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

Piotr, did you try here:

http://stcatharines.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-tires-rims-MICHELINS-RARE-MILITARY-XZL-9-00-R16-W0QQAdIdZ46231428

http://www.militarytires.com/

http://www.usedtires.be/details.asp?language=en&productID=242077
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Re: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

Titus Pullo - 6/12/2008 1:29 PM

nugat - 6/13/2008 3:18 AM As an alternative I look into Interco Tire SSR/TSL 35x10.5x15. Any users? I am looking far a tall (33-35), rugged but not to wide tire.
yea, me - 34/10.50/15 TSL


You mean you run Super Swamper Radials?
How they compare to say BFG or other brands in that size?
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4x4abc - 6/12/2008 4:58 PM

Piotr,

what do you have in mind? where do you want to travel?
and answer to that would make chosing the right tire much easier


I would like to set up a universal "around-the-world" expedition cruiser on the basis of my 290GD.
(I also would like the world to live in peace. )

Something like Mario&Martina did cruising both Americas- on 235x85x16 BFG MTs if I remember correctly. My direction will be Russia, central Asia, Siberia first. Maybe next year. This summer back to Romanian and Bulgarian mountains though.
I have the 33x10.5.15 BFG MTs on right now, fairly similar. I like the tire very much and have only one-two concerns. Soft sidewalls ( I cut them on stones already couple of times) and poor wet surface behaviour. If any tire improved on those two, that would be my choice.
The need for even bigger height might come from the installation of transporter granny gearbox in the next couple of weeks. We'll see how it works with 290d and 33s.
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-UG- - 6/12/2008 1:33 PM

If you don't drive much on road or don't care that your ride is feeling less like Ferrari, you cannot go wrong with Interco Tire Super Swampers. I had long time ago the 34x9.5x15 under the G and while it is on the narrow side for some use, it performed really super well on G.

http://www.intercotire.com/site32.php


Any comparison with BFGs?
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RE: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

9R16 XLZ are tall: 36.5 inch. I can have them rethreaded in Europe for 250 euro/pc.
The Canadian price is really good if they are new. Unknown is transport--they can be 100 lb a piece.
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Re: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

nugat - 6/13/2008 7:50 PM

-UG- - 6/12/2008 1:33 PM

If you don't drive much on road or don't care that your ride is feeling less like Ferrari, you cannot go wrong with Interco Tire Super Swampers. I had long time ago the 34x9.5x15 under the G and while it is on the narrow side for some use, it performed really super well on G.

http://www.intercotire.com/site32.php


Any comparison with BFGs?


Nope, no comparison. You cannot compare tires that are made for entirely different purpose. BFG will work ok on tarmac but nothing to talk about off it, SS will have issues on tarmac but no problems off it.
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RE: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

Dentsmithy,
Is it this tire-michelin 8.25R16? What's the actual size ie how tall/wide in inches/metric?
They cost here net 250 euro/piece, sold as truck tire, available.

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nugat - 6/13/2008 12:37 PM You mean you run Super Swamper Radials? How they compare to say BFG or other brands in that size?
this what I am running: http://www.intercotire.com/site36.php. As it was mentioned they are not comparable to other tires. I had before on other trucks BF MTs, Mickey Thomson Baja Claw, and Good Year Wrangler MTs, all in 33/12.50/15 size and all of them perform different. Interco s are heavy, rugged and noisy but perform flawless off the road. Not good for high speed, noisy, bad on slippery, wet or icy surface. Definatelly back road tire.  Tirewall size 34/10.50/15; actual size at 20Psi and mounted on G wagen - 33/11/15. And here is how they look like on my truck:


If you're planning to go Bulgaria this summer let me know when and we can meet there and maybe wheel together for a while, or at least I can arrange with my friends over there to show you some real places to wheel.

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RE: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

With the vehicle weight on it the tyre sits 33.5 inch high and at road pressure is only 7 inch wide on the ground. you need to lower to 20psi off road to geta decent footprint and they are rated to go as low as 8psi in emergencies.

 





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Titus,
So your tire is bias-ply. Tubed, tubeless? Looks really serious.
Needs 8.5 inch wide rim though.
I was thinking of this interco in 35x10.5R15LT:
http://www.intercotire.com/site34.php
Radial, more on-road compromise too. Siping, quieter. No universal tire exists, that's a cliche. One thing I am afraid with this one is high sidewall. It's like 265x95x15 metric. 95% profile. At least I can put it on my 7 inch wide rims, of which I have plenty.
Michelin XZL 8.25R16 used by the Canadian military is effective 33.8 inch tall and relatively narrow at 230mm. Any info on how they perform in real life?

For Romania/Bulgaria this summer I was planning to join an organized group I went with last summer to Maramuresz . Photos here:

http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u175/nugat63/Maramuresz%202007/

This summer they already planned this route in Bulgaria, photos from planning:
http://picasaweb.google.pl/monka41/BuGariaJumrukcza2008
That's Berkovica-Stara Planina-Koprivstica, August 4-10.

We'll be deciding very soon, one thing we don't like with group travel is the quick pace,. Everyday 5-8 hours mostly offroad. So maybe we will not join them after all.
Thanks for invitation. Let's communicate on PM-I am sending you my mail via PM.
Piotr
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Re: MIchelin XZL 8.25 or 9.00 R16 tires

Nugat,

I chose these tyres after much deliberation and with the same aims as you. As I have said if a 34x10 goodyear wrangler MT/r were available I would have preferred it  but they only do 34x12 which is too wide for me so the only other mud terrain tyre that was suitable was the XZL. I have a friend who runs a desert travel company and  has used  8.25XZLs year in, year out. Motorway driving at 75mph and desert driving at 14psi and less - he swears by them. I haven't used mine enough yet to give a fair appraisal but they are very precise - that is they go where you want them to, no slipping around on loose ground and over rocks. What you don't really get is any kind of floatation on mud - they cut through to the solid underneath, if there is any. At  speed , 70mph they are much noisier than the wranglers and in the wet  on tarmac they are a bit skitish.

I'm planning a diesel engine swap but for now I have a 230ge with 4.8 axles and 6.15( transporter ) gearbox. the combination is lovely - gears are  nicely spaced and  1st gear, low box is very , very slow.

I think you will be very happy with your combination 

 

Happy travels

Chris 

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