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Posted 6/28/2013 11:22 PM

H1LM002G55
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Date registered: Mar 2010
Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah
Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1
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Tie Rod Problem

I ordered a new Tie Rod and got the part number off of the EPC.

I received it last week and removed the tie rod on my 500 GE earlier today.

However, there is a problem.

The new tie rod ordered is about 2 inches shorter than it should be!

Any ideas on different tie rod lengths? If I adjust the tie rod end outwards, it will be extended way too far and the length of the rod is obviously too short.

I ordered part number: 463-330-06-03

Again, from the EPC, using the VIN of my 500 GE.

Thanks for any ideas.

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Posted 6/28/2013 11:36 PM

AGuess
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Holly Springs NC
Vehicle(s): 93 500GE, 93 500GE, 2002 G500
Posts: 717
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

For my 500GE, the epc shows, for widened track, two part numbers. I don't understand the difference.

they also show two different part numbers. One titled. LOMFOERDER and the Second one titled EHRENREICH

For Example the one titled. EHRENREICH shows two part numbers.

A 463 330 04 03 Then it shows in Red with a - sign below the first number.

-A 463 330 06 03.

I wonder if one is for the widened track and one is for the non widened track?

Someone else will have to comment on this.

Sorry to hear this.

AGuess

Edited by AGuess 6/28/2013 11:40 PM

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Posted 7/1/2013 9:20 AM

H1LM002G55
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Date registered: Mar 2010
Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah
Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

I spoke to the factory in Graz, and was informed that there was an error in the EPC.

The right Part Number is 463 330 03 04 or 463 330 04 03.

I just checked with my dealer where I order parts.

They actually had this tie rod in stock.

We are going to measure it before I pick it up....Part No: 4633300403.

I will report back.

Edited by H1LM002G55 7/1/2013 10:03 AM

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Posted 7/2/2013 7:17 AM

petermerle
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Cape Town ( deep south )
Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

See this all before

http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/forums/showthread.php?tid=19214&st...

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Posted 7/2/2013 3:22 PM

mre
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Date registered: Dec 2006
Location: Estonia
Vehicle(s): 463 300GE ´91
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

Ha-ha, the same happened to me.
I have the shorter tie rod still waiting it's new home? :-)

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Posted 7/3/2013 7:51 PM

Fernando BR

Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: Brasil
Vehicle(s): G500/05 300GE/91 300GD/80
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RE: Tie Rod Problem

EPC shows all SA on my 300GE 1991 , included correct SA for tierod. No mistakes on EPC.

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Posted 7/3/2013 8:20 PM

AlanMcR
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, CA, Los Altos
Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL
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RE: Tie Rod Problem

Are all 463's "widened" track?

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Posted 7/3/2013 10:27 PM

Fernando BR

Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: Brasil
Vehicle(s): G500/05 300GE/91 300GD/80
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

Alan i think on early 463 its always better confirm at EPC with complete VIN to see if the SAs are there or not. I dont know when those axles become standard , on my G500/2005 they are .

Edited by Fernando BR 7/3/2013 10:39 PM

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Posted 7/4/2013 2:05 AM

petermerle
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

Came across EPC error where the vehicle had the SA for widen axles but not the "longer tierod" - EPC error. EPC has errors in it .

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Posted 7/4/2013 4:26 AM

Fernando BR

Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: Brasil
Vehicle(s): G500/05 300GE/91 300GD/80
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

H1LM002G55 , your EPC doesnt show SA 21007 above for your VIN?

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Posted 7/4/2013 6:11 AM

H1LM002G55
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

The error in the EPC was reported to me by the factory in Graz. I called them to ask what was wrong with the tie rod part number.

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Posted 7/4/2013 8:40 AM

Fernando BR

Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: Brasil
Vehicle(s): G500/05 300GE/91 300GD/80
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

When they digitalized the data on digital EPC they made many mistakes. We coudnt say they didnt did a good job .My cabrio 1991 has the correct data so it depends on the VIN . Your dealer can correct iformation at on line EPC.They have a way to do it.

tks

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Posted 7/9/2013 4:24 AM

darcyocker
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Date registered: Mar 2008
Location: Cape Town South Africa
Vehicle(s): 1994 W463 G300 Diesel; 1981 W123 300D
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RE: Tie Rod Problem

When I discovered this problem with my G I noticed that the part number was correctly indicated for a SWB 463 with widened track on the EPC. Seems that the problem in the EPC might be with "early" 463 LWBs. Fernando's experience seems to give credibility to this theory.

Edited by darcyocker 7/9/2013 4:24 AM

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Posted 7/9/2013 4:26 AM

darcyocker
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Date registered: Mar 2008
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RE: Tie Rod Problem

AlanMcR - 7/3/2013 8:20 PM

Are all 463's "widened" track?

Not all 463s came with widened track. In the early 463s this was an option and included the widened axles, steering gear and fender flairs etc.

See example below:

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Posted 7/9/2013 11:26 AM

H1LM002G55
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

Wow! I did not know that there was a narrow track W463!

Question: Is there any reason to save an old tie rod? Or should I toss it? They are not able to be rebuilt on both ends to my knowledge.

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Posted 7/9/2013 1:50 PM

fsedak
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Date registered: Feb 2010
Location: Europa
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

I took my to mechanic and he rebuild it. I didn't buy a new.

Edited by fsedak 7/9/2013 1:51 PM

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Posted 7/9/2013 2:57 PM

H1LM002G55
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

If only one tie rod end comes off, how did he rebuild it?

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Posted 7/9/2013 3:38 PM

fsedak
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RE: Tie Rod Problem

I really don't know, but I know that he put this new things (both) on the end of rod.

Also here in my country, in Europa, we have firm who rebuilt this things on the rod and produce new crank-shafts.

Some pics:

old vs. new

rod, I don't have another picture.

So it's possible to rebuild it.

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Posted 7/9/2013 5:47 PM

H1LM002G55
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

Which country are you in?

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Posted 7/9/2013 5:49 PM

DUTCH
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

H1LM002G55 - 7/9/2013 5:47 PM

Which country are you in?

Croatia

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Posted 9/21/2018 5:00 PM

H1LM002G55
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Date registered: Mar 2010
Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah
Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

2018 update:
As a FYI, I bought a new tie rod / drag link in November 2017. It was installed 23-December 2017. The ball joint ends started clicking / popping about a month ago and making a loud pop sound when turning...it is definitely bad ball joint ends and not the CV Joints.

Good thing the part is under warranty. It has less than 5,000 miles on it. Never Offroad, either.

I hear Mercedes may have went cheap and these may now be supplied by TRW instead of Lemforder ??????

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Posted 10/11/2018 6:19 PM

gerryvz
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Date registered: Apr 2014
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Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124)
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

Many (and more and more) Lemforder parts are being made in China, so that may be the case with this one if it is a Lemforder.

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Posted 10/11/2018 6:59 PM

DUTCH
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

H1LM002G55 - 9/21/2018 5:00 PM

2018 update:
As a FYI, I bought a new tie rod / drag link in November 2017. It was installed 23-December 2017. The ball joint ends started clicking / popping about a month ago and making a loud pop sound when turning...it is definitely bad ball joint ends and not the CV Joints.

Good thing the part is under warranty. It has less than 5,000 miles on it. Never Offroad, either.

I hear Mercedes may have went cheap and these may now be supplied by TRW instead of Lemforder ??????

FWIW, the tie rod (A.463.330.04.03) I purchased from my MB dealer and installed in February 2012 is a TRW part; and it fit perfectly in my 2000 G500. Still doing just fine.

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Posted 10/11/2018 9:53 PM

BlueG
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

TRW would be a good thing

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Posted 10/12/2018 12:02 PM

petermerle
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Cape Town ( deep south )
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

The boot that came with my new Tierod and draglink all failed after 1-2 years and less than 5000 km. The Clear polyurethane type. Add to the misery replacement boots are no listed on EPC. Found another boot for a MB Van which together with a machined metal ring I was able to get it to work.

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Posted 10/12/2018 1:23 PM

AlanMcR
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

A discussion of some options:

https://clubgwagen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11719

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Posted 11/10/2018 3:35 PM

H1LM002G55
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Date registered: Mar 2010
Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah
Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1
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Re: Tie Rod Problem

It was recommended to me by Jono of BlueridgeMB to pull the boots and lube the Joints myself with a high quality grease. I have some Schaeffers 274 in a grease gun. I will probably use this.

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