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petesherlock
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Date registered: May 2006
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Vehicle(s): 290GDT, Pinzgauer 710, 404 Unimog, SIIA Landy
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| 230GE to 300GE
In my quest to become more competitive I am considering an engine swop from my 230 to a 300GE. Does anyone have any information regarding why this may or may not work/may or may not be straightforward. I have the 460 series with a manual box but would consider the auto box with the 300. Thanks. |
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G350DT
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| Re: 230GE to 300GE
Pete,
I just secured 2 defenders and a 2003 Gwagon for the Farm in HluHluwe Zululand go up and play with them  |
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petesherlock
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Date registered: May 2006
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Vehicle(s): 290GDT, Pinzgauer 710, 404 Unimog, SIIA Landy
Posts: 106
| Re: 230GE to 300GE
Anytime! I have just been up there to film at Sodwana...hmmm, maybe we need to reshoot! |
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G350DT
Date registered: Dec 1899
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I will be back in November maybe you can come visit for a week.
Also we are going to Cape Town first then taking the Blue Train to JoBurg then flying to Durban. Maybe get together for a dinner in CT
Can not wait to do the Blue Train |
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petesherlock
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Date registered: May 2006
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Vehicle(s): 290GDT, Pinzgauer 710, 404 Unimog, SIIA Landy
Posts: 106
| Re: 230GE to 300GE
Definately a dinner in CT at least! November is part of our busy season so I may not be able to take you up on your offer for Hluhluwe then, maybe later though. |
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79percent
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Remscheid / Germany
Vehicle(s): 300 GE
Posts: 537
| RE: 230GE to 300GE
petesherlock - 7/17/2006 8:09 PM In my quest to become more competitive I am considering an engine swop from my 230 to a 300GE. Does anyone have any information regarding why this may or may not work/may or may not be straightforward. I have the 460 series with a manual box but would consider the auto box with the 300. Thanks. That would be a huge change. I talked to a friend about swapping my manual gearbox to an automatic one. I rejected this idea. The only way would be to have a automatic spender vehicle sitting around and then get all the needed parts. Also , if you have a normal passenger car engine you wont get the 300GE engine, since the characteristic is different. Possible, but a lot of time and money needed. RGDS Klaus |
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petesherlock
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Date registered: May 2006
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
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| RE: 230GE to 300GE
Thanks Klaus. Why do you say the character is different? Do you mean its not the same engine (in terms of specs)?
What would you recommend as an engine swop that would give me a substantial increase in horsepower and torque but would not eat up my transfer box, diffs, halfshafts. |
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79percent
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Remscheid / Germany
Vehicle(s): 300 GE
Posts: 537
| RE: 230GE to 300GE
petesherlock - 7/17/2006 9:03 PM Thanks Klaus. Why do you say the character is different? Do you mean its not the same engine (in terms of specs)? What would you recommend as an engine swop that would give me a substantial increase in horsepower and torque but would not eat up my transfer box, diffs, halfshafts. The Engine is different in terms of Spec. If you compare the normal 300E to a 300GE you will see that the maximum torque at the 300GE is delivered at lower RPM'S than the 300E. As far as I know you'll need a different camshaft and a different ignition control unit to re spec. Also the water pump would be a different one since the 300E comes with electromagnetic fan control. You see the engines are similar but not equal. Still I think the 300GE is possible, but it take some effort to integrate it. I drive a 300GE in Wintertime with the manual Gearbox. It works and I have the impression that the 300GE still accelerates faster then my 320 automatic one. So to not double the work, use your manual gearbox. A friend converted his 300GE to a 300E 24V from a crashed old 300CE. He told me the car runs fine now, but he always need to turn it over 4000 U/min in order to get enough power. At this speed of engine the fuel consumption is much higher. RGDS Klaus |
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petesherlock
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Date registered: May 2006
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| RE: 230GE to 300GE
Thanks for the info Klaus. I see what you mean. Would the motor bolt on to the 5 speed manual box or would I need to have an adaptor plate made up? |
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79percent
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Remscheid / Germany
Vehicle(s): 300 GE
Posts: 537
| RE: 230GE to 300GE
That depends on what gearbox you use today. Harald has an nice Gearbox overview.... http://4x4abc.com/G-Class/transmissions/getriebe.html As long as you have the starter on left side it should fit. RGDS Klaus |
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79percent
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Remscheid / Germany
Vehicle(s): 300 GE
Posts: 537
| Re: 230GE to 300GE
could be, depending on your gearbox. The Automatic will have a different ratio than the manual one. My 320 GE runs at 100km/h around 3200 U/m, the 300 GE at the same speed around 3000 U/min.
I have not tested yet 4000U/min on the Autobahn in the last gear.
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fernweh
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany
Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa
| Re: 230GE to 300GE
79percent - 7/18/2006 5:06 AM
could be, depending on your gearbox. The Automatic will have a different ratio than the manual one. My 320 GE runs at 100km/h around 3200 U/m, the 300 GE at the same speed around 3000 U/min.
I have not tested yet 4000U/min on the Autobahn in the last gear.
Hi Klaus,
I had just changed the gear ratio to 5.28:1 in my 91 300GE automatic with 33" tires and the police radar sign showed 66 miles/hr @ 4500 rpm -sucking gas for sure....
Karl |
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