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lkchris Veteran Date registered: Nov 2006 Location: Albuquerque Vehicle(s): '07 GL320CDI, '06 E320CDI Posts: 144 | Osram Introduces 90% Brighter Halogen Bulbs See http://www.whnet.com/4x4/pdf/osram-night-breaker.pdf | ||
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AsianML Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | Re: Osram Introduces 90% Brighter Halogen Bulbs No English version? | ||
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Marsden Classic MB Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Capital City USA Vehicle(s): Mercedes-Benz | RE: Osram Introduces 90% Brighter Halogen Bulbs Well I didn't look at the PDF but that's a pretty worrisome headline. What's gonna keep us all from being blinded on the highways?? Common courtesy?
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Scheinwerfermann Date registered: Oct 2006 Location: Budapest Vehicle(s): Too many to list | RE: Osram Introduces 90% Brighter Halogen Bulbs The new NightBreaker bulbs are not quite as good as the Philips Xtreme Power in terms of raw light output, but the difference is almost unmeasurable and certainly imperceptible in terms of actual headlamp performance. The Osram Night Breaker has areas of blue glass which take away from your seeing performance, rather than augmenting it as the promotional material claims—so-called "whiter" light created by blue filtration like this does not help you see better—so purely on performance, the Xtreme Power wins. Both of these bulbs have the best available output from a standard-wattage bulb, and a short lifespan (no free lunch). For stock or near-stock wattage bulbs in headlamps, the best beam performance comes from the following bulbs: H1: Philips Xtreme Power H3: Narva Rangepower+50 H4: Osram 70/65w +50 H7: Osram 65w H11: Substitute H9 Best-pick differs for other applications (fog lamps, etc.) and I don't mean to say the Night Breakers are bad bulbs, it's just Osram kind of got painted into a corner by Philips' minimal use of blue glass in their premium Xtreme Power line, and figured they had to make a bulb that looked significantly different to avoid a "me too" perception, so they cast their lot with larger use of blue glass and revved up the hype machine about "whiter" light. As for the various "plus" claims (+30, +50, +80, +90, etc.) keep in mind how they're devised. The plus-numbers cannot be attained simply through greater luminous flux, because of flux and wattage restrictions contained in bulb regulations prevailing worldwide. The "Plus" bulbs do produce near the maximum allowable flux but that's obviously not the whole story. These bulbs have higher filament luminance and give better beam focus because the filament coilitself is smaller. Headlamp optics are calculated based on a point source. The smaller the filament, the more closely it approximates a point source, and therefore the better the focus of the resultant beam pattern. The better the focus of the beam pattern, the higher the beam peak intensity (that is, the brighter the "hot spot"). Depending on the particular bulb and the specific headlamp optic in use, the gain in hot spot intensity can indeed be up to 50% (80%, 90%, whatever) at some specific but not uniform or predictable point in the beam. In practice, that means once Osram or Philips or whoever have designed their newest bulb, they throw the nearest convenient intern in a room with a bunch of headlamps and have him photometer them until the one that gives the single greatest increase (at any point in the beam!) is found, then they give the intern a food pellet as a reward. Tungsram called their 2nd-generation upgrade H4 "+60" either because they were lying or because they found a headlamp for a 1983 Tatra or something that had 60% more light in one particular spot. That doesn't mean the Tungsram "+60" H4 was better than the "+50" bulbs from Philips, Osram, and Narva—it wasn't! So, those "+30" and "+50" and "+80" type numbers are not necessarily a trick or a scam, it just doesn't mean what most people assume it means. As for the blue glass, here's a refresher on the science: There is no magical blue absorption filter that somehow blocks less light than other blue absorption filters of the same colour characteristics. All of the extra light from the "plus" bulb construction and then some is stolen by blue filter glass, whether the blue filter is made by Philips or Osram or one of the less-reputable factories. Filament bulbs that have been filtered to produce "whiter" (colder/bluer) light colour, and which comply with DOT or ECE regulations, can be classified in two categories: A) The kind that produces less light than an unfiltered bulb and has rather a shorter lifespan B) The kind that produces almost the same amount of light as an unfiltered bulb and has an extremely short lifespan. There are no "extra white" filtered bulbs that produce identical lumens to an unfiltered bulb and have the same lifespan Glowing filaments produce a great deal of light in the red-orange-yellow-green wavelengths, and only very little light in the blue-violet wavelengths. To put very rough numbers on the matter, suppose that a 9006 bulb produces its nominal 1000 lumens, of which 250 are red, 250 are orange, 250 are yellow, 175 are green, 50 are blue and 25 are violet. Now, suppose you want to add a filter to the glass that makes the light look bluer/colder. How does it do that? Well, there's no such thing as a filter that adds light into the beam passing through it -- filters can only suppress light, not add it. So if we can't add green-blue-violet light, then the only way to get the light to look colder is to suppress green-blue-violet's opposites, which are red-orange-yellow. If we want the light to look, let's say, 20% colder, we suppress red-orange-yellow by 20%. Looking up above, we see that we've got a total of 750 lumens' worth of red, orange and yellow. So, cutting this by 20% leaves 600 lumens, plus essentially all of the bulb's original green-blue-violet output of 250 lumens, so we've now got a bulb that produces light that looks 20% colder and produces 850 lumens. Now, 850 lumens happens to be the minimum legal output for a 9006. Unless we're a completely stinky Chinese company that really doesn't give a rat's patoot about it, we can't produce a bulb that produces only the bare minimum of light, because 50% of production will be 849 lumens or less owing to the realities of mass production. So, we have to put in a high-luminance filament to try to counteract some of the filtering losses. BUT we still have to come in under the max-allowable-wattage spec in DOT or ECE regulations. So, let's say we build our 9006 with a super-duper filament that produces 1200 lumens. That's too much for a 9006, but we're going to take away some of those lumens with our filter-glass. This 1200-lumen filament produces, let's say, 300 lumens red, 300 lumens orange, 300 lumens yellow, 210 lumens green, 60 lumens blue and 30 lumens violet. Now we put that same blue glass over it, which suppresses red-orange-yellow by 20%. Now we've got 720 lumens' worth of red-orange-yellow after filtration, plus 300 lumens' worth of green-blue-violet. That gives us a 910-lumen bulb, which is enough above the 850-lumen legal "floor" that we can mass-produce the bulb and even if some filaments only produce 1150 lumens instead of 1200, we're still legally OK. Of course, we still only have 910 lumens instead of 1000, and our 1200-lumen filament is going to have a significantly shorter life than a 1000-lumen filament, but we've got our colder/bluer light appearance in a legal bulb. I bet by now you see why filtering for yellow does not significantly reduce light output: Take our 1000-lumen 9006 as broken down by colour output above. No such thing as a filter that adds extra yellow light, so we have to get our yellow by suppressing blue-violet (the particular yellow that yellow headlamp/foglamp bulbs produce, called "selective yellow", contains all the green found in white light. If we took out some of the green, we'd have a turn signal type of amber-orange light.) OK, then, let's cut blue-violet by 80%. That means we've got our 925 lumens' worth of red-orange-yellow-green, plus 15 lumens' worth of blue-violet (after filtration). Total: 940 lumens. MUCH smaller loss! OK, so we put in a very slightly better filament, say one that produces 1060 lumens, and now we've got 980 lumens' worth of red-orange-yellow-green, plus 16 lumens' worth of blue-violet (after filtration) for a total of 996 lumens, which is for all intents and purposes identical to our original 1000-lumen uncoloured bulb (a parking light bulb puts out between 25 and 50 lumens). Lumen output is less than standard for colourless-glass Long Life bulbs for a different reason: The changes made to the filament to extend its life reduce its surface luminance, decreasing light output and CCT. They also defocus the beam pattern, resulting in shorter seeing distance, because the filament coil is larger. This is exactly opposite what's going on with the +30, +50, +80 type bulbs as described above. | ||
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charles101143 Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: Osram Introduces 90% Brighter Halogen Bulbs To the really excellent explanation from Scheinwerfermann, I would request a simlar article on 2 related lighting topcs : 1. HID. 2. LED. On HID, the claims made by the manufacturer's are that the light output is the closest thing yet to pure sunlight. Certainly they are exceedingly bright but not perhaps everyone is prepared to spend the $. On LED technology : the new Audi has just been released with the first ( claimed) LED headlamps. I should imagine though, that these were devloped in some dedicated lighting company, such as Osram, Bosch or Hella. Open to correction here. I am surprised that MB has been what appears to " beaten to the post" as it were, in this development. I personally believe that LED technology is the future of automotive lighting. The plusses are numerous and I would not be surprised to see a flood of these lights on vehicles in the near future. I value some input from the experts. | ||
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Scheinwerfermann Date registered: Oct 2006 Location: Budapest Vehicle(s): Too many to list | RE: LEDs and HIDs charles101143 - 11/29/2007 8:26 AM On HID, the claims made by the manufacturer's are that the light output is the closest thing yet to pure sunlight.
This is a marketeering claim. The light from a Metal Halide lamp (which is what automotive HIDs are) is definitely not at all close in quality to that of sunlight. Three main characteristics of any light are its spectral power distribution (SPD, the absolute presence and relative prevalence of the different wavelengths that humans can see), its colour rendering index (CRI, the fidelity with which the light reveals colours, compared to standardised sunlight conditions), and its correlated colour temperature (CCT, applicable only to white light, basically whether the light is "cool" or "warm" in appearance).
SPD: The visible portion of sunlight is a continuous spectrum from red to violet, with no gaps. The visible portion of a glowing filament (which is a blackbody radiator) is likewise a continuous spectrum from red to violet, with no gaps. The spectrum of an HID lamp is a series of peaks and valleys. The light is superabundant in certain wavelengths (colours), relatively deficient in others, and absolutely deficient in still others. So from the standpoint of SPD, halogen headlamps actually are much closer to sunlight than HIDs. Which is better? Well..."better" is tricky to define here, because it really depends on what exactly we're trying to do with the light we're creating. In general, a continuous spectrum (rather than a peaks-and-valleys spectrum) is better, because it makes it easier to get a higher CRI, which I'll get to in a moment. But that's definitely not an inviolable rule! Sometimes (as for example when driving through fog or snow) we want to filter out a portion (blue to violet, in this case) of the spectrum. And for general illumination, there are many excellent discontinuous-spectrum lights (fluorescents, HIDs, LEDs, etc.), though this is not an either/or situation. The old fluorescent lights and mercury vapour street lamps produced yucky-looking light because of gross excesses and deficiencies (peaks and valleys) in the spectrum, but today's phosphor and halide technologies are giving us fluoro, HID, and LED lights that may have a peaky spectrum, but contain enough of the various wavelengths to produce a good-quality light. It is worth noting here that there is no such a thing as "full-spectrum" light. The term is used by marketers of everything from headlight bulbs to seasonal affective disorder lights to reading lamps to new fluoro tubes for your kitchen, but it means whatever any particular marketeer wants it to mean. There is no standard definition — not even close.
CRI: Obviously, not all sunlight is the same, so a set of conditions has been standardised. In greatly simplified terms, the conditions can be understood as "noonday sun on a clear day". This is considered to be a CRI of 1.00 (sometimes stated as "100"). There is no light of CRI higher than 100, and a higher CRI is always better than a lower one except in certain very specialised lighting tasks (as for example in photographic darkrooms or in situations where ordinarily-tangential factors such as preservation of night vision, rather than ordinary factors like effective illumination, are the priority). A properly-fed tungsten-halogen filament lamp with a colourless glass or quartz envelope has a CRI of between 0.9 and 0.99 ("90" and "99"). Current-production automotive HIDs have CRI of between 0.7 and 0.74 ("70" and "74"). So, again, from the standpoint of CRI, halogen headlamps are closer to natural sunlight than HIDs.
CCT: This is measured in Kelvins (not "degrees Kelvin" as is sometimes incorrectly stated), and is directly keyed to the kelvin temperature of a blackbody radiator. In this scale, there is no such thing as "better/worse", just different/same/similar. The standardised sunlight conditions described above are considered to have a CCT of 6500K. Automotive HIDs (real ones, not ones that have been jiggered to produce bluer-than-standard light) are between 4000K and 4500K. Properly-fed tungsten-halogens are between 3100K and 3450K. So, in this respect, automotive HID headlamps are closer to sunlight. Now, what are the safety performance implications? Enough research has been done to show that the poorer CRI of HID headlamps is of no safety consequence. Stop signs still look sufficiently red, for example, and guide signs still look yellow enough. The SPD might be causing some glare-related problems. Automotive HIDs have a high spike in the blue-violet region, and there's pretty good evidence that just as some people are glare-sensitive and some are not, some people are blue-sensitive and some are not. This is not a medical condition or disability, it's just a human variance like nose size or eye colour. There's also prety good evidence that at any given intensity, headlamp light with a higher proportion of blue light causes more glare than headlamp light with a lower proportion of blue in it. There is competing evidence, however — yes, academic researchers do compete with one another, with theories and studies and data instead of long-jumping frogs or whatever — suggesting that a higher blue content improves certain aspects of drivers' night vision. Scientifically this one hasn't been shaken all the way out yet, and it's possible both effects might exist simultaneously to some degree. From a marketing perspective, the question is moot; the decision's been made to push more and more towards the direction of bluish-white car lights. Up to now, most of the research has effectively conflated CCT and SPD, because of the limitations of the headlamp light sources available for study: Tungsten-halogen bulbs have a high CRI, a continuous SPD, and a relatively low CCT. HIDs have a low CRI, a discontinuous SPD, and a relatively high CCT. This is to some degree an implementational limitation, not a conceptual one, and in my opinion it is likely to be found, eventually, that a blue-rich SPD can cause glare problems but a high CCT can potentially improve seeing performance. That is going to be a tricky balance to optimise, for high CCT to a significant degree goes along with blue-rich SPD. But we're now seeing LEDs that have a higher CCT than HID headlamp bulbs, but without a proportionately higher blue spike. It will be interesting to see what shakes out of this. The marketeers may have to find another tactic, having already painted themselves into a corner using blue paint: up to now, the bogus claim of "whiter" headlamp light has been used to refer to light that is in fact bluer. When it becomes possible to provide headlamp light that is of higher CRI and higher CCT rather than just higher in blue content, that light will in a more real sense be "whiter" than HID headlamp light...but what are they going to call it...? Certainly they are exceedingly bright but not perhaps everyone is prepared to spend the $. On LED technology : the new Audi has just been released with the first ( claimed) LED headlamps. The Audi R8 as sold outside North America is equipped with the first volume-production all-LED high/low beam headlamps. The Lexus LS600h has LED low beams, and the forthcoming '08 Cadillac Escalade (whatever they're calling the ultra-bling edition) has LED high and low beam headlamps.
I should imagine though, that these were devloped in some dedicated lighting company, such as Osram, Bosch or Hella. Yep...all the light source people (Osram Opto Semiconductors, Philips Lumileds, and a few others) are developing better and better white LEDs all the time, and all the lampset makers (AL-Automotive Lighting, Hella, Valeo, Ichikoh, Stanley, Koito) are hard at work developing new optics to make headlamps with those new LEDs. The Wikipedia "Headlamp" article contains good information on LED headlamps. I am surprised that MB has been what appears to " beaten to the post" as it were, in this development Well...two things. First off, MB has traditionally been rather conservative in adopting new technologies, at least in the area of lighting. They were still equipping their top models with 1972-technology headlamps (H4) well after more advanced bulb and optical technologies became available, they were far behind BMW and Audi in the adoption of projector optics for HIDs (really the right way to do it), they utterly failed to take advantage of any of the various changes in US lighting laws to allow better headlamps than the junk they put on most all US models between 1986 and 1994, etc. So, this is not new.
I personally believe that LED technology is the future of automotive lighting. Yes and no. Adoption of LED headlamps will definitely happen, but not to a significant degree any time soon. In terms of prevalence, even in the developed countries, HID headlamps are somewhere between a minority (Europe) and a trivial mini-minority (North America). Now, LEDs do get better and more efficient every time we turn around and blink, as it seems, but we've only just reached the point where white LEDs produce enough light to make a reasonable beam pattern. Give it some time, then give it some more...the cost differential at the production level between HID and LED headlamps is more than ten times greater than the differential between halogen and HID has ever been, even when HID was brand new. Obviously LEDs have major advantages in signaling and marking applications (parking lamps, turn signals, tail lamps, sidemarkers, brake lamps, reversing lamps, daytime running lamps, interior lighting) and their market share in those areas is rising rapidly. Keep in mind, most of us are used to thinking of LEDs in terms of indication (you look at the lamp to get a message) rather than illumination (the LED emits light which you bounce off what you want to see). We've had LED indicators for years on our electronic devices, more recently on our kitchen appliances, on car dashboards, we see them now in traffic lights, etc. We consider LEDs to be ultra-efficient, low-power-consumption devices, but in fact their efficacy (amount of light out per unit of electricity in) is at this point comparable to the best filament bulbs. Compare this with HIDs, which have an efficacy about triple that of a good filament bulb. LED headlamps are quite power-hungry at this point. | ||
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kaabob Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: Osram Introduces 90% Brighter Halogen Bulbs Scheinwerfermann - 10/13/2007 3:53 PM For stock or near-stock wattage bulbs in headlamps, the best beam performance comes from the following bulbs: H1: Philips Xtreme Power H3: Narva Rangepower+50 H4: Osram 70/65w +50 H7: Osram 65w H11: Substitute H9 Will placing a H9 bulb into a H11 housing cause a lot of glare to oncoming drivers? You recommend this H9 for H11 substitution, yet most people would not recommend a 9005 for 9006 substitution (similarly, although a HIR2 in a 9006 housing is OK, a HIR1 in a 9006 would be extremely "glareful"). Am I missing something? Edited by kaabob 7/26/2008 2:56 PM | ||
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