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| cmitch Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Ala-Tenn Vehicle(s): 2002 ML320, 2005 S430 4Matic, 2010 F150 Super Crew Posts: 3412  | ||
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| Roch207 Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Palmetto State Vehicle(s): 2005 E320 CDI, 2010 Silverado 2500HD Posts: 3749 | ||
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RE: IL Insider: Chrysler, Mercedes Products Begin Major Convergence Under Zetsche Chrysler bad... mercedes good. Shush and get over it-- No one cares what platform a car rides on-- Every Lexus has a Toyota counterpart and likewise every Infiniti and every Acura. Premium products are not what they were even 10 years ago-- They are only better designed objects with more features-- the same goes for clothing, homes, furnishings and electronics. What I am saying is that you will only get luxury so far as you can touch or see it-- you will still have the premium surfaces and finishes in a Mercedes and you will still have the powerful, technologically-forward featureset, but it will not be the robust product in every respect that we old Mercedes people expect. It's double-edged-- we all know Chrysler built more reliable cars at the time of the merger, and we all know Mercedes endeavors to build the best automobiles available to 'normal' car buyers-- We don't know if these future products will be successful or not, time will tell. I will tell you that *I* prefer Chrysler's automobiles from before the merger-- The were the largest, sturdiest, fastest, most reliable domestic cars available. Now? Not so much. My opinion is that the merger is only benefiting Mercedes, as they have precidence over all other developments. Trickle-down engineering is only serving to make Chrysler the 'bargain bin' product that I don't care to see it be. It makes no matter that it is Mercedes-Benz technology that is being handed-down-- It is still just that-- A hand-me-down. | ||
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| RE: IL Insider: Chrysler, Mercedes Products Begin Major Convergence Under Zetsche No, Chrysler bad, Mercedes bad. I’m over it but I’ll not shush. I remember Chryslers from the 70s and 80s, the cars were pieces of junk, each and every one. Omni/Horizon was an unmitigated disaster. The engines suffered from all kinds of oil leak failures. K cars were junk. The Chrysler Cordoba, for God’s sake! K cars, Cordobas, and Horizons, my, what an impressive tradition and track record. During the 70s and 80s Daimler-Benz’s Mercedes-Benz automobile division was manufacturing the best mass-produced cars in the world. They were the best-built cars. They were the best looking cars. During this time every car Mercedes designed was successful and reliable. They did not suffer engine failures (Omni/Horizon) and they weren’t ugly (Cordoba). So along comes Chrysler with this history of failure to wed Daimler-Benz. Think of it as a beautiful thoroughbred racehorse (Mercedes) being mated to a broken down raggedy old mule (Chrysler).  | ||
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| RE: IL Insider: Chrysler, Mercedes Products Begin Major Convergence Under Zetsche jdc1244 - 9/19/2006 10:03 PM Think of it as a beautiful thoroughbred racehorse (Mercedes) being mated to a broken down raggedy old mule (Chrysler). :( I know that when I think of thoroughbred racehorses, that I think of rod-bending engines in $70,000 flagship cars. I think of failed evaporator cores and rotten spring perches, cracked cylinder heads, yellowed composite lighting and bad head-gaskets... Your arguement might be apt if we're talking about the days of the 116, 107 and 123, but we're talking about the 124, 140, 210, 163 etc etc etc. I'd hardly consider those thoroughbreds. Chrysler, pre-merge, had shown great promise with the LH cars, neon, ram, and even the quirky prowler. They had come a long way to get ahead of fomoco and gm-- Just think about those car's main competition and you'll see what I mean. The last thing I will mention is Mercedes-Benz' rapid decline in quality and reliability that directly cooincides with Chrysler's rise in those areas. The world has caught up with(and surpassed in many cases) Mercedes-- they aren't top dog anymore. Please join us in 2006-- we welcome you with open arms.  | ||
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| cmitch Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Ala-Tenn Vehicle(s): 2002 ML320, 2005 S430 4Matic, 2010 F150 Super Crew Posts: 3412 | ||
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| Roch207 Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Palmetto State Vehicle(s): 2005 E320 CDI, 2010 Silverado 2500HD Posts: 3749 | ||
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