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Dieselburns
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| RE: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
back on the veggie again, finally! |
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BenzDieselTuner
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
great! i just bought another 50 gallons at Sam's Club yesterday, 14 dollars each for 5 gal. jugs.......
she smells great.........
what do you pay? |
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Woody
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| RE: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
I Just saw that our local Costco raised the price of their veggie oil to 16.86 / 5 gal that's 3.37 /gal! I think they got the idea to keep it above the price of petro diesel for some reason  |
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
if they did, im sure thats somehow ILLEGAL!!?? |
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Woody
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| RE: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
OK today I called Costco and they are now stocking a 35 pound box of soybean oil (I think this equates to 4.75 gallons) selling for $18.35. If I figure it right (dubious) that is $3.89/gal. I asked, kind-of jokingly, "So you price it higher than diesel fuel?" She chuckled. hmmm. Maybe my math is way off.
I'm sure large corporations never do anything ILLEGAL! 
Of course I am not planning on using SVO in my Sprinter, but this is interesting none the less. |
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BenzDieselTuner
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
i tested for myself how much those 35lb containers hold........when filled with 5 1 gallon jugs of water, they are just short of full.......... |
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Dieselburns
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
Hey long time no see! Anyway I'm back on veggie oil since weather is right over here in NY! My car is not converted to run the veggie oil properly, I just throw it in the take an the car runs fine! Anyway I run my car SVO an get the oil from costco, cost me 14.99$ for the 35 pound soybean oil, so that's about 2.99$ which is fine with me bec that exactly how much diesel is here! I plan in the future to run my car on wvo! |
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
glad to hear you're doin ok........
i drove to miami and back yesterday, 400 miles round trip, and i made it all the way on one tank of Soybean Oil!!! |
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Woody
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| RE: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
BDT - I gotta say, that is sweet!
So let me get this straight, you guys run SVO in your cars with no fuel system mods? What's up with all the greasecar, veggiecar, etc places selling "kits" for hundreds of dollars so you can "run SVO in your car"? Is it a scam, or are they selling something that is actually needed? Or those of us who live in unpredictable climates need to consider pre warming the fuel lines, etc.?
Now, for the real can-o-worms question: What's the best* car for Bio/SVO?
*cheapest to maintain and purchase, needs little to no conversion and lasts longest. I also need to carry 5 people and a dog sometimes. 75% of our driving is around town. Thanks. |
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Woody
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
Anybody hazard a guess what might happen if I put some SVO in my Sprinter?
I may try it this summer when it's sure to be really warm. |
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Dieselburns
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
If the temperature is anywhere above 32F then I run my car on veggie oil, but it would nice to have the kit so I can run veggie oil 365days a year, but the process is stupid that you have to start your car with diesel an then wait till the veggie oil heats up then flick a switch to change fuel, an then before you make your final destination you have to flick the switch off an make sure the car is running on diesel before shutting it off! I hate that! Plus the kit is $800+! Plus you have to self install, and thats gonna be PITA!
I just throw SVO in my tank don't matter if it mikes with diesel, an the car runs fine! The car takes a second or two longer to start on a cold morning running on veggie oil, not a big problem! Just worried that it doesn't get too cold over night that the veggie oil freeze! Since Costco Veggie oil is the same price as diesel, I'm gonna start trying WVO since its free! I don't think filtering is gonna be a PITA, it will be a simple over night process!
My car runs absolutely fine, even better with veggie oil! Smells Better, the fuel economy is about the same as runing on diesel a bit less, an better performance running on veggie oil! An I'm happy that running on veggie extends the life of the engine!
I'm not sure modern diesel vehicles that run veggie oil without any modification will have the car running properly because of the modern diesel technology they have today! With the new Common rail technology I think it wouldn't work properly without the kit?
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Woody
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
Hey DB - thanks for the feedback! I went to a biofuel filling station where they are selling b5, b20 and b100 and asked for b100 in the Sprinter. the guy at the pump was like, umm I don't know if you should, but he couldn't really say why. I think while the vehicle is under warranty I'll be a little more conservative, maybe alternate b20, petro and b100. And, if I ever have to go to the DODGE dealer for service (weird, huh?) I'll make sure to have a tank of regular diesel in there.
Can't wait to replace my wife's eurovan with an nice old mercedes diesel! I'm with you, those kits where you are flipping switches don't seem to make sense, especially for a town driver. So the kit is strictly for pre-heating the SVO?
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Dieselburns
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
Well the kit is mostly for wvo, because un-heated grease will make a build up over time in your fuel system causing a blockage! Look what happend to BDT when he had his car sitting for a month with wvo in the tank while he was in Germany! Plus vegetable oil will ruined your old rubber fuel lines. The kit you get has specialize synthetic lines to with stand the veggie oil! One time I had to change my fuel injector return lines because they where leaking when I was running on veggie oil! So the kit will prevent that, it has its purpose! Just you have to change your fuel injector return lines to new ones! Since im ruining on SVO the kit is really unnecessary, unless I wanna run of veggie oil during the winter. |
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
woody - 4/22/2007 7:42 PM
Hey DB - thanks for the feedback! I went to a biofuel filling station where they are selling b5, b20 and b100 and asked for b100 in the Sprinter. the guy at the pump was like, umm I don't know if you should, but he couldn't really say why. I think while the vehicle is under warranty I'll be a little more conservative, maybe alternate b20, petro and b100. And, if I ever have to go to the DODGE dealer for service (weird, huh?) I'll make sure to have a tank of regular diesel in there.
Can't wait to replace my wife's eurovan with an nice old mercedes diesel! I'm with you, those kits where you are flipping switches don't seem to make sense, especially for a town driver. So the kit is strictly for pre-heating the SVO?
i would run B100 in my CDI.......why you ask? because everyone in Germany does it, because its so much cheaper than diesel there, and it works fine, year round......it makes the wind in the city smell good too!  |
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Woody
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
I guess the consensus on B100 in new cars (like Jeep Liberty CDI, Sprinters, VW TDI's, Ford, Dodge and Chevy trucks) in the states is not to use it because of the warranty issue. To me this is dumb - if there is a fault with your fuel system that is covered under the warranty, I can't see it being caused by Biodiesel, just the same everyone I talk to here says just fill the tank with reg diesel before going to the dealer. I wonder if new vehicle warranties in Germany or EU specify the maximum biodiesel mix?
From personal experience, it seems like my Sprinter does better on B20 and B100 than on regular diesel. I want to use it because of the environmental benefits. The price here is always the same as regular diesel, and sometimes higher.
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BenzDieselTuner
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
in Germany, there is no Biodiesel "mixing"......when u go to the pumps, you have 3 choices for fuel.....regular sulphur-free diesel, High Cetan Sulphur-free Performance Diesel, and Biodiesel, 100%.......... |
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Dieselburns
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| Re: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
I wish we had that ^^^ |
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Woody
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| RE: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
Ditto!
So the warranties for new diesel vehicles in Germany don't specify fuel type?
You mean there might be a Government conspiracy in the US that keeps us using fossil fuel????  |
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BenzDieselTuner
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| RE: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
i cant tell you for sure what people's warranties say there, as i never have owned a "new" car while there, but i do know that the VW-TDi people arent SUPPOSED to be able to use Biodiesel, BUT THEY DO ANYWAYS, in golf's and passat's and polo's and Eurovan's etc.........
i havent heard from anyone there that you arent supposed to use it in your Benz, Opel, BMW, etc....... |
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Dieselburns
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| RE: Alternative Fuels Thread - BioDiesel - Veggie Oil WVO/SVO
Who knows, but it does sound fishy! |
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