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Posted 6/29/2010 1:44 PM
jeremyw
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Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

So coming from the classic watercooled VW world (I also have a '76 Rabbit w/ 58k original), there has been info gathered from VW on which paint codes were offered on which years. For example;
http://www.mk1vw.info/paint1.php

I've searched and can't find that this same information is available for the W460's. I do see Harald's wonderful compilation of colors;
http://www.4x4abc.com/G-Class/460color.html
http://www.4x4abc.com/G-Class/460color1.html

Also, RAL chart(~Euro standardization);
http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/forums/get-attachment.php?action=v...
http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/forums/showthread.php?tid=8567&sta...

However, is there any data which shows which specific colors were used in each model year, or was is such that any of Harald's colors were an available option to a new W460 owner from 1979-1990?


PS--Since some of the colors on Harald's page are a bit visually different from the colors in real life(ie Agave Green), would anyone be interested in a compilation of "real life" colors to compliment Harald's color charts---like is done on the VW page? If so, I'd be happy to compile this data/pictures to act as a reference guide for future W460'ers. I think there's enough of us w/ different colors to get a good start on pictures of colors in real life.


TIA!
Jeremy

Edited by jeremyw 6/29/2010 1:49 PM
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Posted 6/30/2010 10:22 PM
hipine



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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

jeremyw - 6/29/2010 11:44 AM

....PS--Since some of the colors on Harald's page are a bit visually different from the colors in real life(ie Agave Green), would anyone be interested in a compilation of "real life" colors to compliment Harald's color charts---like is done on the VW page? If so, I'd be happy to compile this data/pictures to act as a reference guide for future W460'ers. I think there's enough of us w/ different colors to get a good start on pictures of colors in real life....


To twist a hollywood movie phrase, "If you compile it, they will use it."

That sounds like a great resource to have. Maybe start by pulling together what you have at hand, or can easily get, and then see if others have more to add.

Welcome aboard, man!

-Dave G.
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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

hipine - 6/30/2010 7:22 PM

jeremyw - 6/29/2010 11:44 AM

....PS--Since some of the colors on Harald's page are a bit visually different from the colors in real life(ie Agave Green), would anyone be interested in a compilation of "real life" colors to compliment Harald's color charts---like is done on the VW page? If so, I'd be happy to compile this data/pictures to act as a reference guide for future W460'ers. I think there's enough of us w/ different colors to get a good start on pictures of colors in real life....


To twist a hollywood movie phrase, "If you compile it, they will use it."

That sounds like a great resource to have. Maybe start by pulling together what you have at hand, or can easily get, and then see if others have more to add.

Welcome aboard, man!

-Dave G.


Thank you VERY much for your support Dave. You're a terrific resource to this community and it's enthusiasm like yours which ignites the enthusiasm in us "noobs."

I'm looking forward to compiling my real life color wheel.
Do you have a good pic of your G before the two-tone that I could use perhaps?

-Jeremy
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Posted 7/1/2010 12:50 PM
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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

jeremyw - 6/30/2010 11:34 PM

...Do you have a good pic of your G before the two-tone that I could use perhaps?



You're not even allowed to refer to my G and the word "original" in the same sentance.

Mine was originally red, but I don't think even any of the red that's there now is original. The silver was put on by the first owner in Saudi Arabia. The second owner had it pretty completely retsored some time in the mid 90s when it got all new red and silver paint. And now it's such a horrible hodge podge that I wouldn't really know where to get a picture of "original" paint. I might be able to find a piece of the floor under the center console that I could clean up or something.

Taking pictures of paint is a real challenge though. The camera manufacturers have so many tweaks built in to how they render colors, just to try and get you to buy their camera, that you never know what you'll really get.

I'll try to help if I can, but I'd think the way to go would be facotry brochures scanned under controlled conditions. If you think a picture would be helpful, I can take one though. I have to admit I never looked at the VW site so I'm not sure what you're trying to duplicate. I should have a look at that I guess. But at any rate, let me know if a pic would be helpful and I'll try to get one.

-Dave G.
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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

hipine - 7/1/2010 9:50 AM

jeremyw - 6/30/2010 11:34 PM

...Do you have a good pic of your G before the two-tone that I could use perhaps?



You're not even allowed to refer to my G and the word "original" in the same sentance.

Mine was originally red, but I don't think even any of the red that's there now is original. The silver was put on by the first owner in Saudi Arabia. The second owner had it pretty completely retsored some time in the mid 90s when it got all new red and silver paint. And now it's such a horrible hodge podge that I wouldn't really know where to get a picture of "original" paint. I might be able to find a piece of the floor under the center console that I could clean up or something.

Taking pictures of paint is a real challenge though. The camera manufacturers have so many tweaks built in to how they render colors, just to try and get you to buy their camera, that you never know what you'll really get.

I'll try to help if I can, but I'd think the way to go would be facotry brochures scanned under controlled conditions. If you think a picture would be helpful, I can take one though. I have to admit I never looked at the VW site so I'm not sure what you're trying to duplicate. I should have a look at that I guess. But at any rate, let me know if a pic would be helpful and I'll try to get one.

-Dave G.


LOL.

Ok, I'll search for other silver and red rigs.

Definitely agreed on the pics. I'll be relying on others on here for good pics of their own rigs. I'm into photography so will try to capture the correct hue with any G's over here that I photography.

The VW site runs into this issue--many hues are off from real life, but at least it's a start to give others a sense of what the truck colors look like (more than just a square on a page).
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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

Jeremy.

I am happy to supply photos of old and new/correct paints. Including Agave Green, Carmine Red, Astral Silver Metallic and more.

Also non-G, like DB040 Black, DB158 Weissgrau.

Just need as easy way to upload please.

Regards.

Eddie.

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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

needamerc - 7/1/2010 1:53 PM

Jeremy.

I am happy to supply photos of old and new/correct paints. Including Agave Green, Carmine Red, Astral Silver Metallic and more.

Also non-G, like DB040 Black, DB158 Weissgrau.

Just need as easy way to upload please.

Regards.

Eddie.



Thanks Eddie!

I'm looking for only G colors for my G color wheel so I'd love your pics. I'll send you a PM with my contact info.

Thx,
Jeremy
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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

I have the original color chart from when I ordered my 280GE in early 1984. I'd be happy to scan it for you in 24 bit TrueColor RGB.

There were five (5) standard colors, eight (8) optional non-metallic colors and four (4) optional metallic colors. PM me an email; and I'll send the scans.

Even though the scans are done at high quality, the colors on the scans are not really true to the original paint chart.
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DUTCH - 7/1/2010 2:25 PM

I have the original color chart from when I ordered my 280GE in early 1984. I'd be happy to scan it for you in 24 bit TrueColor RGB.

There were five (5) standard colors, eight (8) optional non-metallic colors and four (4) optional metallic colors. PM me an email; and I'll send the scans.


Wonderful Dutch, thank you!!!!!!

PM sent.
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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

brilliant idea jeremy, should add pics here or to your pm so you can compile?
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hus55 - 7/14/2010 11:41 PM

brilliant idea jeremy, should add pics here or to your pm so you can compile?


Thanks Hus! So what I'm in need of is filling in the missing colors....I want to have a real life pic of every color covered.

Feel free to PM me links to pics. Or if you don't have links PM me and I'll give you my email and I can host the pics.

Thanks!
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Posted 7/15/2010 12:21 PM
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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

Nice work! Really cool. I think it's one of those things where you had a vision and knuckleheads like me really couldn't comprehend what it meant and so when you asked if we'd like it, you just got the internet equivalent of slack jawed drooling idiots (at least me anyway). Thanks for showing the example. Super cool.

The ones I really like are the factory brochure pictures of the trucks with the various striping and graphics they featured. Some of them were really interesting from that era when Disco was dead, but designers didn't really know where they wanted to go from there. I might have some scanned images of one of those brochures around.

-Dave G.
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hipine - 7/15/2010 9:21 AM

Nice work! Really cool. I think it's one of those things where you had a vision and knuckleheads like me really couldn't comprehend what it meant and so when you asked if we'd like it, you just got the internet equivalent of slack jawed drooling idiots (at least me anyway). Thanks for showing the example. Super cool.

The ones I really like are the factory brochure pictures of the trucks with the various striping and graphics they featured. Some of them were really interesting from that era when Disco was dead, but designers didn't really know where they wanted to go from there. I might have some scanned images of one of those brochures around.

-Dave G.


Thanks VERY much Dave. You give me even more inspiration to keep pushing forward with this. Again, check out this link for the early VW watercooled equivalent of what I'm after; http://www.mk1vw.info/paint1.php

So, vs just posting it on the forum I'd like to have a reference site (maybe on Harald's site or something?) where everyone can see this (as well as other great info, again like Harald has). This site would have pics of the color charts(like above) as well as the color names listed(breaking it down into what colors were offered which years and for which countries would be ideal if I could find that info) and a pop-up pic of the real life color on a G, pics of interiors(my next venture) and options/oddities, pics of exterior stripes/graphics(Dave, your info and anyone else's would be SUPER helpful!!!!)---basically a "database" of what was available for the W460's(I love the 461's and 463's too but I'm concentrating on 460's right now) when you bought one back in the 80's.

Another example from my other (VW watercooled) world. The uber rare Rabbit Swallowtail (rear panel b/w taillights was unique to 1974, 1975, early 1976 VW Rabbit's and these vehicles had very unique details with them like hand welded alternator brackets, rubber mat flooring(vs carpet), all drum brakes, etc;
http://www.swallowtail.info/
http://www.reid.org/~dreid/Swallowtail/Facts/facts.htm

So, I want to build a database for the W460 like this....does that help illustrate better what my goal with this is?
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Well you brought back some memories there. When I was in college a buddy had one of those rabbit pickups for a while. Our best memory of it was probably deciding one evening around dusk that we needed to drive from our fraternity house in Flushing, MI to the tip of "the thumb" - of Michigan's "mitten" shape. It was a great trip and we had some good memories of trying to keep that truck together. Jeff was the best man in my wedding and the little rabbit pickup was part of forging the bond between us that survives across a lot of miles, even today. A Scirocco, Merkur, CL350 Honda, 71 Firebird, and '78 Impala figured prominently in there along the way too. Good stuff. I'll see if I can dig up those brochure scans. I might have to mail you the CDs if the files are big. But at any rate, I'm sure I can find them.

-Dave G.

PS - My wife taught her best friend to drive on a rabbit diesel too. My neighbor has one of his beetles for sale in his yard right now. Everybody's life has been touched by a Volkswagen, I think. Maybe there's an ad campaign in there somewhere. Or there would have been in the '70s. Now-days it seems to be more about making people think their cars can pump up their ego to believe they're better than someone else.
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hipine - 7/15/2010 11:41 AM

Well you brought back some memories there. When I was in college a buddy had one of those rabbit pickups for a while. Our best memory of it was probably deciding one evening around dusk that we needed to drive from our fraternity house in Flushing, MI to the tip of "the thumb" - of Michigan's "mitten" shape. It was a great trip and we had some good memories of trying to keep that truck together. Jeff was the best man in my wedding and the little rabbit pickup was part of forging the bond between us that survives across a lot of miles, even today. A Scirocco, Merkur, CL350 Honda, 71 Firebird, and '78 Impala figured prominently in there along the way too. Good stuff. I'll see if I can dig up those brochure scans. I might have to mail you the CDs if the files are big. But at any rate, I'm sure I can find them.

-Dave G.

PS - My wife taught her best friend to drive on a rabbit diesel too. My neighbor has one of his beetles for sale in his yard right now. Everybody's life has been touched by a Volkswagen, I think. Maybe there's an ad campaign in there somewhere. Or there would have been in the '70s. Now-days it seems to be more about making people think their cars can pump up their ego to believe they're better than someone else. :)


Awesome stuff Dave! Those Rabbit pickups (called Caddy's) are very popular--utilitarian like a G!

Thanks for the scans or CD's and/or anything else you can find in your archives.

PS--Hehe, I hear that. I bet VW has come up with marketing copy similar to "being touched by a VW" LOL. There are still some creative marketing among the Germans, esp VW (Unpimp ze auto ).

Edited by jeremyw 7/15/2010 3:36 PM
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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

Hi Jeremy,

A few Photos for your collection. In order they are:

Cypress Green 6876; Creamy White 9001; Sky Blue 5015; Light Ivory 1015

John

 

 





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Hi John,

Phenomenal, this is exactly what I need. THANK YOU!!!!!

Keep them coming please.

-Jeremy
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RE: Original G colors/paint codes; year specific data??

Jeremy.

Great project. Please go all the way.

I LOVE the retro G colours, they all deserve to come back.

I will send you more from my archive over the next few weeks.

FYI, I first drove on-road in a VW Golf (Rabbit) diesel.

I learned to drive a car before that (in fields) in a USA-model Peugeot 504 diesel.

My very first drive was a Deutz D100-06 tractor (which I still own, but past it's sell by).

My first modern MB was a W123 300 (you guessed it) Diesel.

Regards.

Eddie.

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Thanks Eddie!!

Great to hear you started in VW (diesels).

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Newly updated thread which will take over from this one(sorry for the jump);
http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/forums/showthread.php?tid=16796&po...

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