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Graham
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Halifax, Canada
Vehicle(s): 1980 SWB 300GD 1969 280s
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| 460 Tires
Sorry to be the first to bring up the "dead horse" tire question but I need help finding (good) tires for my old 460, 16" rims that are 5.5" wide. (205 80 R16) Any advice? I cannot seem to find much.
Thanks
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EuroTruck
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| RE: 460 Tires
Graham - 5/28/2006 9:07 PM
Sorry to be the first to bring up the "dead horse" tire question but I need help finding (good) tires for my old 460, 16" rims that are 5.5" wide. (205 80 R16) Any advice? I cannot seem to find much.
Thanks
---Graham
Dead horse or not, the archives need to be filled.
I'm personally fond of the Cooper Tire Company. http://www.coopertire.com
If you fancy an all terrain tire, their Discoverer LT is a fine tire and they have the 205R16 size that is well suited for your rims, albeit a little shorter than you may prefer.
If something more aggressive is on your mind, try their Discoverer STT. It can be had in the 215/85R16 size, which is approved for rims from 5.5-7 inches in width. For something a bit taller, you could also run this tire in the 235/85R16 size(as seen on the Pinzgauer below) without problems.
That's my $.02 worth. 
Now let's see what the Michelin, Goodyear and BFG proponents have to say.
-Sean Philyaw
Edited by EuroTruck 5/28/2006 11:48 PM
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dai
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| Re: 460 Tires
BFG All Terrains are superb. In 16 inch they have load range E. Worth the money, perform great, go for many many miles. I use them on/off road almost every day. The other days Metzlers work very well.
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Johann
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Date registered: May 2006
Location: Centurion, South Africa
Vehicle(s): 1999 LWB 290GDT 1981 SWB 240GD+ Cabrio 2015 G63
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| RE: 460 Tires
Hi Graham
I also like the BFG's but I have seen a few that tends to break nobs(not sure what you call them) and crack at low milage.
What did you had on your G? Are you prone to AT's or MT's?
Johann
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kerry460
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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| RE: 460 Tires
G,,day i use bfg mts 255-85-16 ,they do knock the road performance a bit. off road absolutely excellent. 33inch rolling diameter but not too wide .no tramlining or or ugly handling .and fairly quite.mud snow rocks havent found better.hope it helps,kerry. |
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T.Schuhe
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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| RE: 460 Tires
After considering lots of tires...I settled on a tire that was fairly aggressive yet was in the 29.5 inch dia. range of original equipment. These are Dunlop 225/75/16 inch. They ride well and are quiet. I actually bought five new ones at once, than acquired another new steel wheel, and have mounted a sixth tire for a long trip somewhere in the future. I have not heard others here or on other forums talk much about Dunlop tire on the G. Not sure why.
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Graham
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Halifax, Canada
Vehicle(s): 1980 SWB 300GD 1969 280s
Posts: 40
| RE: 460 Tires
Hi Thanks for all the advice, It really helped. Here is where I am with it FYI:
The Tires on the truck now are Michelins that are old and from europe. (The truck is fresh off the boat)
I have been driving off road in a mucky wet clay area that has forced me to find the local tractor owner for recovery!
I cannot find a BFG all terrain that will fit a 5.5 inch rim and meet the weight specifications (e). (???any help??)
The Dunlop Radial Rover RT 225/75/16 will not go on a 5.5" rim but they have a 215/85/16 that fits a 5.5, and has the e weight rating. It is 30.5 in Dia, not too far off. (ca$164.65 ea)
The Cooper Discoverer ST and STT look great. The LT215/85R16 fit a 5.5 rim and are ten ply (e weight rating)(ca$219.00) .ST is 30.48"dia and STT is 30.64"dia. I have to wait two weeks for this one because I live in the DEEP woods of The Great White North.
So unless someone can shed more light on the great tire hunt, it is between the STT and the Dunlop. Leaning towards the STT.
Thanks again
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ewalberg
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| Re: 460 Tires
to me it would depend if you plan on more mud or more snow. it's my take that the dunlop tire you;re looking at will be better in the snow because it's commercial use geared, (is pinned for studs in the winter) and has tighter spacing on the internal treads and more siping for icy conditions. It still has big spacing between outside lugs for mud if you need to deflate tires for max traction. I was thinking about this tire when looking at 265/75r16 tires. The other tires are great looking, especially the STT, which might be best in the deep slush because it's the most open, but for icy stuff i think the dunlop will fare better. But that's ignoring things like rubber compound etcetera so who knows. my bfg's have treated me well ofcourse, but if it's not in your size then mery christmas. You may also want to consider the BFG Commercial Traction t/a. It's rated as being better for all weather traction than the A/T... hipine is running that tire... i think in 235/85r16 but i don't know what other sizes are available. |
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amzimmy
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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| Re: 460 Tires
Do you get the "Michelin" tires in the US? I have the LTX M/S and am very happy with them, negligible road noise and good overall traction, good in wet weather condition on tar and dirt roads.
They come in all different sizes for 15" and 16".
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kerry460
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: tasmania australia
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| RE: 460 Tires
G,,day,255-85-16. they do fit on 5.5 rims .i know specs do not recommend .it has not caused a problem in hundreds of thousands of kilometres,several vehicles ,G,s .land cruisers etc. both 5.5 and 6 inch rims.including on a G that belongs to a retired tyre company owner .they are available in D rating . so load rating is not a problem.hope it helps. kerry. |
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Graham
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Halifax, Canada
Vehicle(s): 1980 SWB 300GD 1969 280s
Posts: 40
| Re: 460 Tires
Hi amzimmy,
Yes we have Michelin here in Canada, I forgot to mention them. They have a 4x4 Synchrone 20580R16 that is the exact size diam. and specifications but I have read that it is a bit soft and wears quickly (?true). It is also a very "tame " tire with not much off road functionality (as far as I can tell). The most expensive as well at ca$250 per tire.
Hi Ewalburg,
Thanks, I am thinking (planning, hoping...) to get dedicated winter tires in the fall as winter here is usually a snowey affair so the ice traction is not an issue at this point. I would not likely be going offroad (on purpose) in the winter so a tire swap would make sence. I love having winter tires in the winter.
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amzimmy
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| Re: 460 Tires
Graham - 5/30/2006 12:36 PM
Hi amzimmy,
Yes we have Michelin here in Canada, I forgot to mention them. They have a 4x4 Synchrone 20580R16 that is the exact size diam. and specifications but I have read that it is a bit soft and wears quickly (?true). It is also a very "tame " tire with not much off road functionality (as far as I can tell). The most expensive as well at ca$250 per tire.
---Graham
The wear on my Michelin (31-10,5-15") is very good with my previous treads Michelin A/T I had more than 80000km (50000 miles) and the new ones seems to be equally good. For heavy off-roading I use the BFG mud tires (31-10,5-15") quite agressive!
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MarcO
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Irvington, NY
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| Re: 460 Tires
I would like to put my vote in for the Cooper tires based on my recent experience with these tires on my 55. I have BFG AT KO on the swb and when we get to snow time I will compare. Coopers for the 55 are M&S and were fine in sand and dirt. They were much better than the stock yoko in rain and they are quieter. Moneywise Cooper is always cheaper. Have to agree with Sean. Really like the Coopers. |
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ewalberg
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| Re: 460 Tires
marco, what tires are you running on the g55? |
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MarcO
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Irvington, NY
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| Re: 460 Tires
Cooper Zeon in 285/55/18 VR. M+S rated but very aggresive tread and still quiet. |
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Loki Laufeyjarson
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: 66°N, 19°W
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| RE: 460 Tires
Graham - 5/30/2006 8:16 PM
I have been driving off road in a mucky wet clay area that has forced me to find the local tractor owner for recovery!
---Graham
Hmm...
205 is not a tire......
....and 5.5" is not a rim
Those scary numbers reminded me of something like this:
http://www.f4x4.is/new/photoalbum/?file=oldsite/555/3136
Sinking into soft surfaces is the the main reason for getting stuck.
Those tires are most likely 31" X 10.5" and by far better than the 205
http://www.f4x4.is/new/photoalbum/?file=carmembers/4036/27129
But the best protection for those who play in the mud (snow), -is to get decent rubbers...
http://www.f4x4.is/new/photoalbum/?file=carmembers/4036/27131
I know this is exaggerated (yktur = exaggerated) and just linked here for fun.
I had my LWB G on 205 tires and 5.5" rims when I first bought it and have never driven any other 4x4 as ultimately useless.
The cure was simple: Have the rims widened to 9.5" and mount 315/75/16 tires. Fits with minor body trimming
If you want to avoid gearing issues and have 4 speed manual you could use 315/75/16 (33")
33" combined with 4 speed manual it gives lower gearing in 1st. gear and top gear than stock 205 tires combined with the later 5 speed Getrag gearbox.
cheers
Loki
Edited by Loki Laufeyjarson 6/1/2006 4:48 PM
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Graham
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Halifax, Canada
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| Re: 460 Tires
WOW !
"yktur" for (x4) sure !
Thanks for the post. The first two images are halarious. I am not sure about the third 
Your point is well taken Loki, thanks
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dai
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Oregon USA
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Posts: 2110
| RE: 460 Tires
BFG makes All Terrains in a 215/70 16 that will fit a 5.5" rim.
-Dai
Edited by dai 6/1/2006 9:00 PM
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Graham
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Halifax, Canada
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| Re: 460 Tires
Hi Dai,
I was looking at that tire but I was told that it does not have the "e" rating I need (???)
---Graham
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dai
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Oregon USA
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| Re: 460 Tires
I need E rating on my Dodge Cummins because I regularly tow 10,000 lbs with it connected to a gooseneck trailer. This heavily loads the rear axle and I use 80 psi in the rears to give me over 3000 lbs load rating in each tire. 235/85 16.
I run load range D tires on my G; 31 X 10.5 All Terrains on the stock alloys. Even towing at the max rating of the truck it should be fine. If you are not towing heavy things then load range C tires will work fine. Look at the specific load the tires will carry to see if it will work. The G unladen is around 4500 lbs (SWB) and loaded with what you will carry (people and cargo) will give you some idea what you will need per tire. (Total load devided by 4) I think the BFG's are conservatively rated and have huge sidewall and casing strength. They can be deflated safely to around 10 psi to get out of soft situations and they perform beautifully in the snow. Great tires. For what I do they work better than anything I have tried so far. They last almost twice as long as other rubber I've installed on the farm Dodge. Gravel roads eat tires and these hold up great. On the G they wear like iron. They are a little squirmy on the road when new but that doesn't last long. Everyone has different needs, I use these things daily and I need traction wet and dry and tires that do not wear like an eraser. The Dodge has huge torque and tends to be a little hard on tires.
-Dai
Edited by dai 6/2/2006 12:05 PM
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