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| Le Mans I got back from Lemans 24hr today so have got some catching up to do on the forum but I have got to say: I got to see every car imaginable over the 4 days you name it I saw it just dont mention a G I did not see even 1 Could nt we organise a contingent for next year?  For those that dont know AUDI won overall in the TURBO DIESEL what an achievment, what will it do for diesel sales in the USofA? | ||
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963  | ||
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| roughneck Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UK, Germany & USA Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2 Posts: 4398  | ||
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| RE: Le Mans There is alot more to consider than just gas prices, today's diesel engines provide anything between 20-to-40-percent better fuel economy and offer more torque at lower rpm when compared to their gasoline counterparts. Diesel engines are also substantially less harmful to the environment today than they were in the past. Of all the types of internal combustion engines, the diesel engine is the most efficient: A given amount of diesel fuel can make more power than the same amount of gasoline. Also, According to the Department of Energy, if 30 percent of the passenger cars and light-duty trucks in the U.S. had diesel engines, U.S. net crude oil imports would be reduced by 350,000 barrels per day. To put this in context, U.S. crude imports averaged well over 20 million barrels a day in the first half of 2005, according to the Energy Information Administration, so diesel engines can provide a serious argument of a more comprehensive solution to oil dependency. In some areas, such as carbon-dioxide emissions, diesels are actually more environmentally friendly than gasoline, and in europe with the new low sulfur based diesels the engines are cleaner overall looking at the bigger picture. I am no expert on diesels or petrol for that matter but looking to the future things are going to change the audi win is just another step. Apart from anything my ears are still ringing with the cars engines the audis were so much quieter  Edited by Greeney 6/20/2006 3:42 PM | ||
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| RE: Le Mans Nicholas, thanks for the small article you wrote Diesel engines became efficient compared to gasoline in the late 90's, and many companies such as Honda never developped diesel before the end of the 90's, their strategy used to say: Diesels are noisy, smoky and dull, which was true back at that time. Nowadays, with the high pressure direct injection (HDI), diesels are able to beat the gas engine in many fields even performance. However i still do have a personal opinion:
I drove a Golf 5 TDI 1.9 for about 300Kms, nothing to say about the performance and specially the economy, it was astonishing, however i'm still not convinced. The car drove like a truck to me, very torquey and an ugly engine sound, it even felt fragile: On red signs, and when pulling off hard, i just felt that the engine's gonna pop up from the hood.
I never drove new MB diesels, are they smooth? Regards
Anthony | ||
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | BMW Turbo Diesel ehdenoffroad - 6/20/2006 4:26 PM Nicholas, thanks for the small article you wrote Diesel engines became efficient compared to gasoline in the late 90's, and many companies such as Honda never developped diesel before the end of the 90's, their strategy used to say: Diesels are noisy, smoky and dull, which was true back at that time. Nowadays, with the high pressure direct injection (HDI), diesels are able to beat the gas engine in many fields even performance. However i still do have a personal opinion:
I drove a Golf 5 TDI 1.9 for about 300Kms, nothing to say about the performance and specially the economy, it was astonishing, however i'm still not convinced. The car drove like a truck to me, very torquey and an ugly engine sound, it even felt fragile: On red signs, and when pulling off hard, i just felt that the engine's gonna pop up from the hood.
I never drove new MB diesels, are they smooth? Regards
Anthony Anthony, I drove a 2 liter BMW turbo diesel convertible for about 3,000 km last Fall in Europe. It drove like a sports car, got tremendous fuel economy, was very quiet, did not smell and accellerated like a rocket. I wish they sold them in the US | |
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| RE: Le Mans I was nt preaching by any means but i have had diesels since early 90s at one point I had 9 opel vans for my business that i bought new I sold the business in 1998 and the vans separately they all had 200+K MILES on the clocks and not one of then had a serious problem, I had a 1997 BMW 5series diesel that was as smooth as you could get and sounded as close to a petrol as a you could get. a friend of mine in France has just bought a new merc diesel its beautiful and smooth no smoke or soot on acceleration 0-60mph in 7sec. All I was saying was they have changed and with the development of the audi in lemans they ARE going to change even more as people will realise they are not what they originally perceived. Antony you must be the only frenchman that doesnt like them, in this area people look at you oddly if you fill up at the sans plomb pompe  or maybe its because they are staring at the funny englishman see you soon mon pot  | ||
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| RE: BMW Turbo Diesel Anthony, I drove a 2 liter BMW turbo diesel convertible for about 3,000 km last Fall in Europe. It drove like a sports car, got tremendous fuel economy, was very quiet, did not smell and accellerated like a rocket. I wish they sold them in the US Hi Dutch, what year was the BMW? The new generation of BMW diesels (fitted on the 3 series: 320d ,330d) have one of the best output in the market, i heard that the 330d is able to compete with an E36 M3, this engine has probably everything to make it the best european diesel engine(Torque, noise, economy). Anyway, i think that MB has many generations in diesel experience, i would trust a Mercedes Diese engine much more thatn i would trust any other european one. I have a friend that sold his E270CDI with 700 000 Kms on the counter with no engine problems, that says it all, the car was off course exported to the middle east And concerning the CO emission of the 400CDI, i heard that it won the prize of the best pollutant Regards
PS: Which MB diesel engines are available in the US? Did they import the W126 D during the 80s?
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| RE: Le Mans Antony you must be the only frenchman that doesnt like them, in this area people look at you oddly if you fill up at the sans plomb pompe or maybe its because they are staring at the funny englishman see you soon mon pot :cheers:Looool Nicholas u are absolutely right, i 've been fighting the French Diesel fans for a while now, and you know what Diesel in the french blood hehe, that's why 99% of them missed the pure pleasure of driving a gasoline MB or a BMW, even when the gasoline was kinda cheap back to the 80s. They got used to drive boring cars. In the end everyone sees a car in a different way, i'm passionned about mechanics while for them a car is to take them to work and back (70% of the population). I love my GOLF 3 1.8 engine sound and i do adore my 230G sluggish sound too, btw have u tried the cut off sound on your 300GD? Please don't, you'll be arrested for causing smog over the Limousin area
Meilleures salutations, i'll see you in august mon pote | ||
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | ||
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| Fenalaar Elite Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: Narvik, Norway Vehicle(s): 2001 ML270CDI, Polaris 400L Big Boss Posts: 826  | ||
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| roughneck Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UK, Germany & USA Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2 Posts: 4398 | ||
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| roughneck Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UK, Germany & USA Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2 Posts: 4398 | Re: Le Mans With Euro 4 emissions now well in place and Euro 5 having to be met by 2008 for both petrol and diesel engines, we are close to seeing only hot air, baby foxes and butterflies come out the exhaust, I beleave, looking at the logic behind the chemistry of fuels and the requirements of emmisions standards that diesel will be the way to go, however should the next obvious step be taken? having converted the world to diesel we then turn the wheel full circle and run every thing on peanut oil just like the good old doctor intended. (Diesel Crank.jpg) (rta96c.jpg) Attachments ----------------  Diesel Crank.jpg (86KB - 11 downloads) rta96c.jpg (84KB - 12 downloads) | |
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| nadd Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UAE, Dubai Vehicle(s): G500 2016 LHD, numerous Chevys Posts: 1285  | ||
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| roughneck Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UK, Germany & USA Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2 Posts: 4398 | Re: Le Mans nadd - 6/22/2006 10:51 PM i'm afraid to ask, how many litres? or how much hp? I thought I had put that up. Its the largest diesel engine ever built, a Sulzer 2300 tons. Its 14 cylinders produce 108,920 hp and 5,608,312lbsft @ 102 rpm it powers a giant container liner. (cyl head build.jpg) (piston.jpg) Attachments ---------------- cyl head build.jpg (96KB - 13 downloads) piston.jpg (43KB - 15 downloads) | |
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Just kidding, got your point about the diesel future, you are right, they're getting better and better.