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4x4abc
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
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in response to K40 failures and CPS drop outs - which essential parts would someone need to carry (must have) with no dealer support in sight for the next few 1000 miles?
Satellite hook up and accces to this forum helps, but still, how do you get the part needed.
So, what do you guys think? |
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| RE: must have
4x4abc - 6/9/2007 2:52 PM
in response to K40 failures and CPS drop outs - which essential parts would someone need to carry (must have) with no dealer support in sight for the next few 1000 miles?
Satellite hook up and accces to this forum helps, but still, how do you get the part needed.
So, what do you guys think?
Sounds like a Poll Topic to me. 
The list is certainly going to be model specific. Here are a few to start:
Serpentine Belt
Fuses
Replacement Bulbs
Motor Oil |
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CaptnPete
Date registered: Dec 1899
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If you make a poll, try to find out which items are the ones most likely to fail and the hardest to aquire in a remote location. Or make a poll asking which spares G members are carrying already. I carry the aforementioned belt and upper and lower radiator hoses. (Even a used belt as a spare is better than none)
I had a universal joint fail one time. Another item was a water pump. (not a G).
Harald: Doesn't Gelaendewagen & Freizeit have a page with recommendations as to what spares to carry for long distance driving in remote areas?
Edited by CaptnPete 6/9/2007 3:24 PM
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4x4abc
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
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Well,
I am not after what to carry when traveling remote country. There are endless lists on the web and in magazines of things you should carry (including wet wipes). I am after "must carry". I am after essential spares (no way to improvise, no way to limp without them etc). - so, burnt out bulbs don't count. Even when all lights fail, you can still drive out.
No poll - just knowledgeable input. From experience or smart reasoning.
So far I have gathered:
fan belt,
starter,
K 40,
CPS |
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DesertStar
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego, CA USA
Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500
Posts: 2156
| RE: must have
A fuel filter,
Mike
Edited by DesertStar 6/9/2007 4:09 PM
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CaptnPete
Date registered: Dec 1899
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Can you jury rig a fuel pump relay? |
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4x4abc
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
| "Must have" 463 spares
Sorry for being not very specific - the parts I am looking for are only 463 related.
Mike,
will the truck stop running with a bad fuel filter? |
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CaptnPete
Date registered: Dec 1899
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I carry an inexpensive digital VOM ($2.99) plus some wires with alligator clips to jump electrical connections. |
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SocalAstro
Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Long Beach, CA
Vehicle(s): 03 G500, 06 Audi A3 2.0
Posts: 116
| RE: "Must have" 463 spares
On the newer G's (2002+) I always carry a spare key. The newer electronic keys have been known to fail and will leave you stranded even in the middle of LA :-)
-Leon
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fernweh
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany
Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa
| Re: must have
CaptnPete - 6/9/2007 1:12 PM
Can you jury rig a fuel pump relay?
I would think in general - yes. A simple relay, not an electronic type, is just a remote switch. Activated on one hand by the ignition switch +12Volt and on the other by an input from ?-unit -12Volt. Let's say you do have +12Volt from the ignition switch, you could then rig a wire from the correct relay(defective) pin to ground to keep the fuel pump running, whenever you turn the Ignition on. Does the engine system likes it that way.......?
Karl
Edited by fernweh 6/9/2007 4:51 PM
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CaptnPete
Date registered: Dec 1899
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The reason I asked is that I was told once that was possible to get the relay going by jumping two of the pins. I believe one of them was #87 but it was some years ago and I don't remember which was the other one. Do you think that it would bring the car back to life? Long enough to get a replacement part? |
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Maxwell Smart
Date registered: Dec 1899
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A slight aside and certainly not a risk you want to take but I was reading a story once about a G getting stranded in the middle of nowhere due to a mechanical failure.
The story was that someone (European I think) had bought a used G and decided to do a trip across a remote part of Russia.
Well the G had a catastrophic failure and they were unable to do anything in the field. Fortunately they had a satellite phone - but the question was who to phone? On the inside of the glove box was a very old and worn out sticker from MB for their break down services. So for lack of a better person they called, found it still worked and were routed via Stuttgart through to MB Moscow.
The problem parts were diagnosed over the phone and within 24 hours MB had the parts couriered from Germany to the nearest city in Russia to where the stranded G was. As this was still a few days drive from where they were stuck, the parts along with a MB certified mechanic were then put on a helicopter and sent out to find and repair the G. I think it took 48-72 hours but the parts got to the stranded party and the G was fixed and back on the trail.
The costs of the courier and helicopter were covered by MB. I think they were only charged for the part and mechanics time while actually working on the G!
I know it’s not good to rely on other people especially in remote situations and its unlikely that MB would go to such extremes in this day and age but it still makes one hope that if all else should fail...
Now whether those stickers still exist.... I know I had one on my '92 463 but I haven't yet checked on my new one.
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Jonathan Joseph
Expert
Date registered: Oct 2006
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Vehicle(s): 2004 G55
Posts: 1538
| RE: must have
Well you know I'm no offroader, but I'd take one of these if I could find room for it.
www.premierpowerwelder.com/index2.html
A welder and a couple other power tools run off an inverter would allow you to fabricate alot of stuff.
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| Re: must have
Maxwell Smart - 6/9/2007 5:25 PM
A slight aside and certainly not a risk you want to take but I was reading a story once about a G getting stranded in the middle of nowhere due to a mechanical failure.
The story was that someone (European I think) had bought a used G and decided to do a trip across a remote part of Russia.
Well the G had a catastrophic failure and they were unable to do anything in the field. Fortunately they had a satellite phone - but the question was who to phone? On the inside of the glove box was a very old and worn out sticker from MB for their break down services. So for lack of a better person they called, found it still worked and were routed via Stuttgart through to MB Moscow.
The problem parts were diagnosed over the phone and within 24 hours MB had the parts couriered from Germany to the nearest city in Russia to where the stranded G was. As this was still a few days drive from where they were stuck, the parts along with a MB certified mechanic were then put on a helicopter and sent out to find and repair the G. I think it took 48-72 hours but the parts got to the stranded party and the G was fixed and back on the trail.
The costs of the courier and helicopter were covered by MB. I think they were only charged for the part and mechanics time while actually working on the G!
I know it’s not good to rely on other people especially in remote situations and its unlikely that MB would go to such extremes in this day and age but it still makes one hope that if all else should fail...
Now whether those stickers still exist.... I know I had one on my '92 463 but I haven't yet checked on my new one.
I think Harald has a link to that story on his website. That might happen in other parts of the world, but would most definitely NOT happen in the US. |
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Maxwell Smart
Date registered: Dec 1899
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DUTCH - 6/9/2007 10:43 PM
I think Harald has a link to that story on his website. That might happen in other parts of the world, but would most definitely NOT happen in the US.
Thanks - I was wondering where I had seen it! Well as its been a while since I read it I got a few of the facts wrong but none the less the basic gist was the same.
http://4x4abc.com/Carlos_adventures/MB_road_side_long.html
Which reminds me you definitely need spare parts for your satellite phone...
Edited by Maxwell Smart 6/9/2007 6:18 PM
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fourbyfourclub
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: New Jersey, USA
Vehicle(s): 300G
Posts: 302
| RE: must have
To Harald:
I will try to answer for your topic: "Must Have "
I can give you the parts list that you have to carry with you, but... I have to know all conditions:
Where? (Country) Driving conditions? Is it a competition ? Is it a weekend drive? Time of the year? Tires? Time on road/off-road?
As an experienced off- road driver you have to understand that list of parts depends of different factors and your goal at the end keep your car running.
If it is just a long trip 5-7k miles in a remote area you will need some basic parts to keep your car running. Even without K40 you can always jump the relay and start your car.
If it is more like "light" competition you parts list must be more extensive and you have to concentrate on a drive train parts.
Some countries use so bad quality gasoline that you have to carry fuel pump and filter and etc and etc.
What you definitely MUST have is a tool box with high quality tools including special tools for your G, any part is useless if you not have a proper tool.
And I'm truly believe in people help. In a modern world with modern communication systems you can always ask for help and get the parts within 48 hours an any remote place of the world.
I was stuck with broken axel shaft in a middle of nowhere near the China border at -18C and 2' of snow and got the part from Stuttgart within 3 days.(1989)
But anyway, if you need help during your trips you can always contact me and get any spare part or technical advise at any part of the world.
Vlad
fourbyfourclub
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4x4abc
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
| RE: must have
Vlad,
it sounds like you will be the contact for all future G glove box stickers. Maybe even replacing the current Stuttgart stickers in older G.
We should honestly elaborate on that. Helping is always good. |
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CaptnPete
Date registered: Dec 1899
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Not to make light of a perhaps serious situation, but it might beneficial to have a pre-arranged contact with a "Service Pack" which could be expeditiously dispatched to a nearby contact location.
In foreign countries it would be advisable to use custom brokers to facilitate entry of merchandise. |
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J.R.
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Southern Maryland
Vehicle(s): 00 G500, 09 911 4S, 11 Cayenne S, 86 280GE (sold)
Posts: 828
| Re: must have
Harald,
I could be departing from the spirit and intent of your idea (no help within 1000 miles), we might consider adding:
- the two key fob batteries. If memory serves, even though we can unlock the truck manually, the anti-theft system is still armed without the command from the key fob. But it has been a few years since I ran into that issue and I remember being frustrated that I couldn't drive the truck off. I added those two extra batteries, that day, to my glovebox.
- your +50mm bolt trick for the window regulator(?) failure. That could be life saving during the winter.
- Alternator regulator or complete alternator and regulator
- Throttle position sensor (I've probably go the name wrong)
- fuel pump
- fan belt idler pulley
Great start on the list!
Edited by J.R. 6/9/2007 8:24 PM
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DesertStar
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego, CA USA
Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500
Posts: 2156
| RE: "Must have" 463 spares
4x4abc - 6/9/2007 1:33 PM
Mike,
will the truck stop running with a bad fuel filter?
Harald, I assumed that would depend on the current condition of your fuel pump; clogged filter=fuel pump working harder. I have never had it happen to me, so I can't say with certainty.
Mike |
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