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G350DT
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I did not mean to spark a riot over the US/EU differances. I was talking about american to american not american to EU person. Not at all.
Second yea the US does have cheeper fuel but one otherr thing is the selection of small and very efficient cars is limited here. I think about the smallest is the Mini Cooper and not sure that really counts. I have yet to see a smart car or some of the other tiny 60 mpg cars here. Second high MPG Diesel (CARS) are again not here. The thing that really burned my ass was when in South Africa seeing a few "mini" type cars never seen in the US yet made by Ford and the like. Yea my Gwagon only gets about 15 mpg but nost times I drive my veggie powered truck. Yet by law I have to report how many gallons I use to the Local tax collector and pay $.48 a gallon for road tax.
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BartM
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| RE: Economic 'FUN' of driving a G in the Netherlands
Roughneck, why don't you tank at your local supermarket? your 300GD should have no problems running 100% sunfloweroil (when temps are over +/- 8C) :-) You can find veggie oil for 1/2 the price of diesel these days.
Getting a <25yrs old vehicle is even more interesting financially, but I suspect you considered that and decided against it. |
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Braingears
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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I do not think anyone is sparking a riot... (or did I miss something?)
I personally find it VERY interesting how other countries are different from each other. I also think that it is interesting to see how different countries operate with dramatically different tax laws and restrictions.
My father is building a large marina in Panama, Central America. They are giving us no personal income taxes for 20 years. No Property Taxes at all. Sales tax is approx 5%. The corporate taxes sum to approx 20%, but since we do not have income taxes, we simply pay ourselves salary and dividends so that the corporation does not have a taxable profit.
They are trying to bring more business to the entire country. So far they are doing a very good job...
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Ernest T Bass
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Well the UK has bad roads compared to France, Germany, Spain and Italy and I would say worse than Florida too, and worse they melt when it gets hot. We have speed bumps and speed cameras. We have expensive petrol £.99 a litre. Road tax is £175 for old beasts like mine. You can’t park on the street outside your house without paying an extra £50-100 a year. 4x4 owners are regarded as a dangerous breed to be exterminated. And dare to drive into London and you have the equivalent of $15 US extracted from your purse.
Veggie oil – if you care to use it requires the payment of the same sort of tax that diesel commands.
Oh and the good bit……..I can walk to my friendly local MB dealership have a cup of coffee read the paper and buy an extremely expensive part for my old 460.
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gwagen460swb
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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Richard (230G),
You have to do what in Delaware!? Report that to the local tax collector? I have never heard of anything so archaic. Is the tax not built into the per gallon cost at the station?
Based on that, it is also interesting to note the differences in each state of the US.
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DUTCH
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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| Re: Economic 'FUN' of driving a G in the Netherlands
gwagen460swb - 7/17/2006 12:58 PM
Richard (230G),
Is the tax not built into the per gallon cost at the station?
For WVO? Doubtful. |
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G350DT
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Yes I mean if you make it yourself as I do, wait if I wanted to do (just in case someone is watching)
I have actually contacted our state rep Biden to see if there is a way to actually give a tax credit to people doing this. In Delaware if you switch to solar power they will give you 50% of the total cost as a grant and another 25% total cost in tax breaks.
I think that WVO and Bio should get the same |
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BartM
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Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: Hoorn, Netherlands
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Ernest, no doubt, you are worst off. Props to you for keeping it running! :-) though, I suppose that's what comes from addictions like ours.  |
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79percent
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Remscheid / Germany
Vehicle(s): 300 GE
Posts: 537
| Re: Economic 'FUN' of driving a G in the Netherlands
Germany update:
Gasoline 1,45 Euro for Super which I believe is Premium
Gasoline 1,40 Euro for Benzin which is Regular or so
Road Taxes depending on engine size and emissions
Gasoline
Euro 3, or Euro 4 -> 6,75 per hundred CCM - almost newer G's
Euro 2 -> 7,36
Euro 1-> 15,13
Euro 0-> 21,07
No Catalytic Converter 25,36 per hundred CubicCentiMeter
Diesel 15,44 to 37,58 depending on Euro class.
Insurance around 500 Euro per year.
My 320 GE has Euro 2 -> 235 Euro Tax
Yearly mileage : 8000KM-> 18L/100Km->1,40Euro/Liter= 2016 Euro
Insurance 500
Total= 2751 Euro
The 300GE comes with
Euro 0-> 760 Euro
Yearly mileage : 8000KM-> 15L/100Km->1,45Euro/Liter= 1740 Euro
Insurance 500 Euro
Total = 3000 Euro
And fuel cost will reach 1,50 Euro next week.
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gwagen460swb
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Vehicle(s): 280GE SWB, Toyota Highlander, BMW530i, RR HSE
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| Re: Economic 'FUN' of driving a G in the Netherlands
Klaus,
You are taxed on the number of kilometers you drive per year? I have not heard of that. I have heard of tax on the cc size of engine.
In Arkansas, you are only taxed on the number of axles of your vehicle and the age. As the years go by, your tax is less. And if you own something 20 years old or more, you are exempt.
Full insurance on my G is US$223 per 6 months (US$446 per year) through Nationwide Ins Co.
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gwagen460swb
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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Of course that amount takes into consideration home owners insurance, multi-car, and any additional policies with them. |
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Ducks
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gwagen460swb - 7/17/2006 12:57 PM Klaus, You are taxed on the number of kilometers you drive per year? I have not heard of that. I have heard of tax on the cc size of engine. In Arkansas, you are only taxed on the number of axles of your vehicle and the age. As the years go by, your tax is less. And if you own something 20 years old or more, you are exempt. Full insurance on my G is US$223 per 6 months (US$446 per year) through Nationwide Ins Co.
To insure only one car with Nationwide is ~$100 / month assuming you have a clean driving record and are using it as a commuter vehicle. Oh, and are living in California.
Edited by Ducks 7/17/2006 4:15 PM
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Ducks
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Ducks - 7/17/2006 1:14 PM gwagen460swb - 7/17/2006 12:57 PM Klaus, Full insurance on my G is US$223 per 6 months (US$446 per year) through Nationwide Ins Co. To insure only one car with Nationwide is ~$100 / month assuming you have a clean driving record and are using it as a commuter vehicle. Oh, and are living in California. .... and assuming you are talking about a w460 truck. |
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NorthseaRoughneck
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Date registered: May 2006
Location: Berghem, the Netherlands
Vehicle(s): 300GD SWB - 300GD LWB
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Braingears - 7/17/2006 3:56 PM NorthseaRoughneck - 7/17/2006 9:44 AM Braingears - 7/17/2006 3:42 PM That definitely SUCKS! I am curious, what are the rules and costs for Bio-Diesel over there? I'll look it up for you Chuck! By the way ... what exactly do you mean with Bio-Diesel? Veggie oil or the new type of diesel fuels that companies like BP and Shell are selling? That is what I am curious about...
I do not know if the laws there prohibit you from running veggie oil. It is also interesting how much the big companies charge for the new types of diesel fuel considering how much less it costs to produce. Everyone wants their cut. I think that it is also very interesting what the taxes are when you break down every gallon or liter of gas & diesel.
Chuck (and others who are interested),
I've dug a little deeper ...
In regards to veggie oil, that is illegal here in the Netherlands. People are using it but when they get caught the fines are high. How do they get caught you ask ... well, veggie oil has a distinct smell (is what I've read about it) and occasionally tests are carried out during road worthy tests.
As to why the Dutch government doesn't legalize these (environmentally friendly) type of fuels ... plain and simple ... they would loose too much income tax! There is some talk going on (both in political country as well as amongst us civilians) about this subject so I guess things will change sooner or later.
I didn't find too much info on the new Bio-Diesels, I've found some prices for the following types but I'm not sure whether or not these are referred to as Bio-Diesel or merely as a High Performance type Diesel.
Liter price in the Netherlands US Gallon price (in the Netherlands)
Shell BP Total Shell BP Total
V-Power Ultimate Excellium V-Power Ultimate Excellium
Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel
Euro 1,18 1,17 1,21 4,46 4,43 4,56
US$ 1,48 1,47 1,51 5,60 5,56 5,72
NZ$ 2,38 2,36 2,43 9,01 8,93 9,20
AUS$ 1,98 1,96 2,02 7,50 7,42 7,65
CAN$ 1,67 1,66 1,71 6,32 6,28 6,47
UK Pound 0,81 0,80 0,83 3,07 3,03 3,14
If these Diesel types are a Bio-Diesel then I find it strange that the price is higher than the regular (more polluting) ones. It is my opinion that environmental friendly Diesel should be cheaper than regular Diesel.
Breaking down the current Diesel price here in the Netherlands boils down to the following:
1) Bare price, which is directly related to Platt's quotation (US$ price per Ton of diesel) - currently rated at EURO 0,52809
2) Excise which is calculated per 1000 Liters - currently rated at EURO 0,36491
3) Stock levying, again calculated per 1000 Liters - currently rated at EURO 0,0053
4) 19% BTW (TVAT,MwSt,VAT) which is calculated over the bare price, the excise and the stock levying - calculates to EURO 0,2107
Do the maths and you'll end up paying an average price of EURO 1,109 per Liter
Amount of road tax over here is depending on the following items:
1) Type of car (i.e. car, light truck, camper van etc.)
2) Which state you live in
3) Type of fuel (i.e. Diesel, Petrol, LPG etc.)
4) Weight of the car (which is the killer in case of a G  )
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Braingears
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: St Petersburg, FL
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If you ever get into a car accident... at least you know who will win  |
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79percent
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Remscheid / Germany
Vehicle(s): 300 GE
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gwagen460swb - 7/17/2006 9:57 PMKlaus,You are taxed on the number of kilometers you drive per year? I have not heard of that. I have heard of tax on the cc size of engine.In Arkansas, you are only taxed on the number of axles of your vehicle and the age. As the years go by, your tax is less. And if you own something 20 years old or more, you are exempt.Full insurance on my G is US$223 per 6 months (US$446 per year) through Nationwide Ins Co.
The number of Kilometers is not taken into consideration (kind of stupid, I know). Only the engine Type (Gasoline or Diesel) the size (per 100 CCM) and the emission levels are taken for the road tax.
RGDS
Klaus
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NorthseaRoughneck
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Date registered: May 2006
Location: Berghem, the Netherlands
Vehicle(s): 300GD SWB - 300GD LWB
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Braingears - 7/18/2006 5:54 AM
If you ever get into a car accident... at least you know who will win :ahhh:
What do you mean Chuck?
Are you referring to the weight of a G? In that case ... you're right.
Talking of accidents ... here's a short story of one I was involved in,
It happened about 6 months after I first bought my G, coming back from a trip to France (been visiting this French chick I met  ) She lived in Bordeaux and I left her place in the middle of the night ... heading home. I had just past Paris without any problems! Hey, you ever did the 'periferique' around Paris in rush hour? That is so much fun
Continued to drive along the national route, I hate highways you see, and it started to become foggy. As I am struggling to stay awake, I kept my speed up to around 80 Klick's an hour (+/- 50 Mph) so I would have to stay focused. Then ... all I saw were the tail lights of this school bus type of thing. Slammed the brakes but it was too late ... I must have hit that bus with a speed of at least 60 - 70 Km/hr (37 - 43 Mph)  luckily I was wearing my seatbelt.
Of course I was really frustrated about this and didn't want to go and have a look at the damage. Something I didn't do until the French driver insisted on it so we could fill out the insurance forms. First we looked at his bus. Tail light assy. on the left ... gone, Bumper on the left ... gone, back doors ... had a nice deep signature of my G's bumper in it. Now I had to go and look at my damage ...
To my great surprise, the only thing I could see was that I was missing my license plate and that the bumper had moved in it's slots a little. I could not believe my eyes ... not a single dent or scratch, even the bumper was still solid and without any visual damage.
I already was a firm believer in the Mercedes-Benz G-Class but after this my belief went through the roof. What a great car
The French dude was puzzled about my big smile and looked at me with these question marks in his eyes.
Anyway, my insurance coughed up the 4000 + EUROs worth of damage on his bus and we all lived happily ever after ...
Sorry guys for this long story ... kinda got carried away. |
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VCR
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Ernest T Bass - 7/17/2006 5:33 AM
Well the UK has bad roads compared to France, Germany, Spain and Italy and I would say worse than Florida too, and worse they melt when it gets hot. We have speed bumps and speed cameras. We have expensive petrol £.99 a litre. Road tax is £175 for old beasts like mine. You can’t park on the street outside your house without paying an extra £50-100 a year. 4x4 owners are regarded as a dangerous breed to be exterminated. And dare to drive into London and you have the equivalent of $15 US extracted from your purse.
Veggie oil – if you care to use it requires the payment of the same sort of tax that diesel commands.
Oh and the good bit……..I can walk to my friendly local MB dealership have a cup of coffee read the paper and buy an extremely expensive part for my old 460.
Ernest its time to move to Algarve, and don’t forget to give me a ring Ill pay you a cup of coffee.  |
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VCR
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NorthseaRoughneck - 7/17/2006 10:55 AM
>I didn't find too much info on the new Bio-Diesels, I've found some prices for the following types but I'm not sure whether or not these are referred to as Bio-Diesel or merely as a High Performance type Diesel.
Liter price in the Netherlands US Gallon price (in the Netherlands)
Shell BP Total Shell BP Total
V-Power Ultimate Excellium V-Power Ultimate Excellium
Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel
Euro 1,18 1,17 1,21 4,46 4,43 4,56
US$ 1,48 1,47 1,51 5,60 5,56 5,72
NZ$ 2,38 2,36 2,43 9,01 8,93 9,20
AUS$ 1,98 1,96 2,02 7,50 7,42 7,65
CAN$ 1,67 1,66 1,71 6,32 6,28 6,47
UK Pound 0,81 0,80 0,83 3,07 3,03 3,14
If these Diesel types are a Bio-Diesel then I find it strange that the price is higher than the regular (more polluting) ones. It is my opinion that environmental friendly
NorthseaRoughneck I don’t think these are bio-Diesels; they are regular diesel whit additives to improve then. |
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gwagen460swb
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Vehicle(s): 280GE SWB, Toyota Highlander, BMW530i, RR HSE
Posts: 513
| Re: Economic 'FUN' of driving a G in the Netherlands
Move to Arkansas! And if you have a business and can create jobs here, you receive special tax breaks.
On the way home yesterday, petrol went up 10 cents! Forget about the US$2.63 per gallon I quoted yesterday. It is now US$2.73 per gallon. This is still cheaper than what you pay in Europe.
That French fog reminds me of the bad fog I saw in Italy when I was studying there in 1993. And it wasn't just Italy either; it was all over Europe. |
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