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ThorThorThor
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Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Highlands Ranch (Denver Metro), Colorado
Vehicle(s): 1992 Range Rover size L, 1995 Range Rover size M
Posts: 15
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Center steer prototype (did it ever exist), 80, 86, 88, 90, 101FC, 107, 109, 110, Dormobile, lightweight, Santana, CKD kits all over the world, all built like an erector set so many many variations of all of these. Disco 1, Disco 2, Disco 3 (aka LR3). Freelander 1 Frelander 2 (aka LR2). Range Rover 1, RR1 cabriolet (see Octopussy), RRC, RR2, RR3, RRS, all of these anywhere from 6x6 to any and all body mods.
Don't even get me started on the factory approved suppliers of modified LR's. Drilling, Farming, Fire Fighting, Mining, Amphibious, Railway, Military, UN, etc.
This is the stuff I hope to get a grasp on as my G knowledge increases.
Anyone have any good history books, links?? Suspension deisgn (very similar to LR)? Good off road photos (I've not seen many good super flexy suspension G shots)?
Thanks!
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4x4abc
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
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Flexy? We don't do flexy. Most everything the G does is unspectacular (visually at least). Its a low key truck for guys who want results.
Most flexy shots I see are with one wheel (leg) up on a huge boulder (like a dog leaving his mark). Its not to get over that boulder (wouldn't work anyway) - its to get a "Wow!" picture.
So, a lot of hot air. No work done. No results. |
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| Re: Land Rover people
4x4abc - 3/12/2007 6:48 PM
Flexy? We don't do flexy. Most everything the G does is unspectacular (visually at least). Its a low key truck for guys who want results.
Most flexy shots I see are with one wheel (leg) up on a huge boulder (like a dog leaving his mark). Its not to get over that boulder (wouldn't work anyway) - its to get a "Wow!" picture.
So, a lot of hot air. No work done. No results.
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Ed Mclass
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Vehicle(s): 1958 180a, 2010 GLK, 2000 G 500, 2005 SLK 350
Posts: 1215
| RE: Land Rover people
I surprised you got them off the cell phone long enough to have a conversation face to face!  |
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TexWagen
Veteran
Date registered: May 2006
Location: Houston, Texas
Vehicle(s): 2003 G500
Posts: 115
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On the subject of "flexy", I like to think of most G owners as the sort of athlete that makes a winning goal and treats it like any other point--no jumping up and down in self-glorifying "ain't I the best" fashion. We drive very capable trucks and we know it. Anyone else who truly knows off-roading vehicles realizes it too. I believe the old saying about "substance over symbolism" applies here. |
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ThorThorThor
Member
Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Highlands Ranch (Denver Metro), Colorado
Vehicle(s): 1992 Range Rover size L, 1995 Range Rover size M
Posts: 15
| Re: Land Rover people
4x4abc - 3/12/2007 4:48 PM
Flexy? We don't do flexy. Most everything the G does is unspectacular (visually at least). Its a low key truck for guys who want results.
Most flexy shots I see are with one wheel (leg) up on a huge boulder (like a dog leaving his mark). Its not to get over that boulder (wouldn't work anyway) - its to get a "Wow!" picture.
So, a lot of hot air. No work done. No results.
I'm simply talking about keeping 4 tires on the ground as long as possible for stability and traction, which is non spectacular in my book. Not RTI rigs, or the boulder poseurs you're speaking of. Think 100 feet of a steep climb all moguled out and only having to use the center diff lock keeping steering control and be easy on axle components. Of course front and rear lockers are an option if the need arises.
I've run a thrice locked RRC and a thrice locked RR1. The RR1 has a lot more suspension travel (I'll not use flexy from now on, as it seems un-popular here) all 4 wheels can travel below the the rock slider (one at a time on each axle of course) and it is a much more comfortable and stable ride than lifting a wheel at each opportunity.
Although I was going to post a 'nevermind' I've found a few sightings of G's with good suspension travel on YouTube.
Until I get to off road a G, I'll just have to read and ask. I hope you all can stand a newbie who's reference point is Land Rover's solid axle offerings.
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ThorThorThor
Member
Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Highlands Ranch (Denver Metro), Colorado
Vehicle(s): 1992 Range Rover size L, 1995 Range Rover size M
Posts: 15
| Re: Land Rover people
TexWagen - 3/12/2007 9:36 PM
On the subject of "flexy", I like to think of most G owners as the sort of athlete that makes a winning goal and treats it like any other point--no jumping up and down in self-glorifying "ain't I the best" fashion. We drive very capable trucks and we know it. Anyone else who truly knows off-roading vehicles realizes it too. I believe the old saying about "substance over symbolism" applies here.
Mmmmmmmmkay. Great.
I agree, I drive the trails in a very low key way... I get it. I don't think I even have any 'full travel' shots of my rig. Too busy enjoying the day off road. No wheel stands, no runs through a mud puddle to look EXTREME.
If I wanted that I'd be on the LM002 board! hahaha!
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Marsden
Classic MB
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Capital City USA
Vehicle(s): Mercedes-Benz
| RE: Land Rover people
The 3-Year JDP Survey. The graphic won't fit on this site full-size because of one make, way out in left field..  :)
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mortinson
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Madrid, España
Vehicle(s): '98 G300TD LWB, '98 E300TD Saloon
Posts: 1355
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Wolf - 3/11/2007 1:52 AM
That is cool and I would say more than a little rare. Where are you that it is RHD? More pics!
Yes, a total of 76 W461 open tops were built in RHD. Mine's probably one of the very few in factory white. I'm in Australia.
So Wolf, are you saying that the colour of your G is original? I ask this because yours is a military version G (not sold to civilians, only to governmental bodies/agencies and NGOs). ¿DO you knoe anything about the origin of your G?
And do you have any additional figures of RHD production? I have never encountered official RHD production numbers.
Congratulations on such nice G! |
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ThorThorThor
Member
Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Highlands Ranch (Denver Metro), Colorado
Vehicle(s): 1992 Range Rover size L, 1995 Range Rover size M
Posts: 15
| RE: Land Rover people
Marsden - 3/12/2007 11:48 PM
The 3-Year JDP Survey. The graphic won't fit on this site full-size because of one make, way out in left field.. 
Hahahaha! Great graphic!
I think it's the ones that are pavement bound ending their sad existence early!
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4x4abc
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
| RE: Land Rover people
I'll see what I can find from MB about 461 RHD numbers.
I had a query in a few years ago about 460 RHD numbers. Amazing. They are rarer than rare:
46021023 1981 2
46021023 1982 1
46021223 1982 1
46021223 1983 1
46021223 1984 1
46021223 1986 2
46021823 1984 4
46021823 1985 1
46021823 1986 2
46021823 1989 1
46031023 1981 1
46031023 1982 27
46031023 1983 2
46031023 1986 1
46031723 1990 1
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mortinson
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Madrid, España
Vehicle(s): '98 G300TD LWB, '98 E300TD Saloon
Posts: 1355
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4x4abc - 3/13/2007 6:18 PM
I'll see what I can find from MB about 461 RHD numbers.
I had a query in a few years ago about 460 RHD numbers. Amazing. They are rarer than rare:
46021023 1981 2
46021023 1982 1
46021223 1982 1
46021223 1983 1
46021223 1984 1
46021223 1986 2
46021823 1984 4
46021823 1985 1
46021823 1986 2
46021823 1989 1
46031023 1981 1
46031023 1982 27
46031023 1983 2
46031023 1986 1
46031723 1990 1
Harald, I believe that these types correspond to BA 1 "Convertible with fixed windshield" with 2,400 wheelbase whereas Wolf's G is BA 10 "Convertible with folding windshield" with 2,850 mm wheelbase:
460210 230G 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 3 units
460212 280GE 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 5 units
460218 230GE 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 8 units
460310 240GD 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 31 units
460317 250GD 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 1 unit
48 units in total
In any event, these figures do not surprise me, because the only important RHD GWagen market was the UK and the only "Convertible with fixed windshield" which was sold there was the 460312, aka, 300GD which surprisingly does not appear in your list.
Very interesting anyway. Do you have any other RHD production figures?
Cheers,
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4x4abc
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
| RE: Land Rover people
Jesus,
I put a request in. But it will be handed from the top down and then some intern will have to go through dusty files - and then it will be handed up the food chain again. With other words, it will take a while. |
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Maxwell Smart
Date registered: Dec 1899
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| RE: Land Rover people
mortinson - 3/13/2007 8:37 PM
4x4abc - 3/13/2007 6:18 PM
I'll see what I can find from MB about 461 RHD numbers.
I had a query in a few years ago about 460 RHD numbers. Amazing. They are rarer than rare:
46021023 1981 2
46021023 1982 1
46021223 1982 1
46021223 1983 1
46021223 1984 1
46021223 1986 2
46021823 1984 4
46021823 1985 1
46021823 1986 2
46021823 1989 1
46031023 1981 1
46031023 1982 27
46031023 1983 2
46031023 1986 1
46031723 1990 1
Harald, I believe that these types correspond to BA 1 "Convertible with fixed windshield" with 2,400 wheelbase whereas Wolf's G is BA 10 "Convertible with folding windshield" with 2,850 mm wheelbase:
460210 230G 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 3 units
460212 280GE 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 5 units
460218 230GE 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 8 units
460310 240GD 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 31 units
460317 250GD 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 1 unit
48 units in total
In any event, these figures do not surprise me, because the only important RHD GWagen market was the UK and the only "Convertible with fixed windshield" which was sold there was the 460312, aka, 300GD which surprisingly does not appear in your list.
Very interesting anyway. Do you have any other RHD production figures?
Cheers,
Sorry I'm confused - that's just convertibles right? |
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Wolf
Regular
Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: Victoria, Australia
Vehicle(s): W461 300GD, Range Rover III, BMW 735i, BMW R1200GS
Posts: 71
| Re: Land Rover people
mortinson - 3/13/2007 12:48 AM
So Wolf, are you saying that the colour of your G is original? I ask this because yours is a military version G (not sold to civilians, only to governmental bodies/agencies and NGOs). ¿DO you knoe anything about the origin of your G?
And do you have any additional figures of RHD production? I have never encountered official RHD production numbers.
Congratulations on such nice G!
Yes, it's original factory white (colour 9001). It was apparently brought out here on special order by M-B Australia to display at the Melbourne Motor Show in March 1983, the second G ever imported into the country. Daimler-Benz were bidding for the Australian Defence Force light vehicle tender at the time and ended up bringing a few other 461s out for testing (the ADF eventually bought LR 110s instead).
DaimlerChrysler have advised me that a total of 76 RHD 461 lwb open tops were manufactured. |
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mortinson
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Madrid, España
Vehicle(s): '98 G300TD LWB, '98 E300TD Saloon
Posts: 1355
| RE: Land Rover people
Maxwell Smart - 3/13/2007 10:50 PM
mortinson - 3/13/2007 8:37 PM
4x4abc - 3/13/2007 6:18 PM
I'll see what I can find from MB about 461 RHD numbers.
I had a query in a few years ago about 460 RHD numbers. Amazing. They are rarer than rare:
46021023 1981 2
46021023 1982 1
46021223 1982 1
46021223 1983 1
46021223 1984 1
46021223 1986 2
46021823 1984 4
46021823 1985 1
46021823 1986 2
46021823 1989 1
46031023 1981 1
46031023 1982 27
46031023 1983 2
46031023 1986 1
46031723 1990 1
Harald, I believe that these types correspond to BA 1 "Convertible with fixed windshield" with 2,400 wheelbase whereas Wolf's G is BA 10 "Convertible with folding windshield" with 2,850 mm wheelbase:
460210 230G 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 3 units
460212 280GE 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 5 units
460218 230GE 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 8 units
460310 240GD 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 31 units
460317 250GD 2,400 1 Convertible with fixed windshield, 1 unit
48 units in total
In any event, these figures do not surprise me, because the only important RHD GWagen market was the UK and the only "Convertible with fixed windshield" which was sold there was the 460312, aka, 300GD which surprisingly does not appear in your list.
Very interesting anyway. Do you have any other RHD production figures?
Cheers,
Sorry I'm confused - that's just convertibles right?
The "Convertible with fixed windshield" and 2,400 mm wheelbase are the ordinary civilian "Cabrios"
The "Convertible with folding windshield" and 2,800 mm wheelbase are military types |
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Adoni
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Sacramento, CA
Vehicle(s): '00 G500, '15 C300 4Matic, '06 L322 G4
Posts: 1283
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Does anyone have a hard time trusting that earlier pictorial on reliable vehicles...I mean Jaguar scored above average!!!! Perhaps the intern putting it together juxtaposed Jaguar when he was putting it in? |
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storm
Date registered: Dec 1899
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Adoni - 3/14/2007 1:32 AM Does anyone have a hard time trusting that earlier pictorial on reliable vehicles...I mean Jaguar scored above average!!!! Perhaps the intern putting it together juxtaposed Jaguar when he was putting it in? I also have my doubts, look where they placed porsche, nissan and mitsubishi! |
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Date registered: Dec 1899
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Marsden - 3/13/2007 1:48 AM
The 3-Year JDP Survey. The graphic won't fit on this site full-size because of one make, way out in left field.. : )
I think this graphic might be a year or two old. Land Rover scored a huge success; They are no longer considered the least reliable in the Consumer reports list. The bottom of the list is now occupied by Mercedes Benz.
These testosterone arguments re LR vs G's is pretty mcu the same as the Ford vs Chevy people have. 150 years ago, it was the Colt vs Remington people, so weve evolved only because the technology evolved.
I've had Landies for 35 years now, have had all but a 101 and a leightweight, and currently have 7, including an NAS110, and XD Disco, an RRC, and several series trucks.
I've been hunting for my G forever, not because I think it will do something I can't already do, but because it's new to me, unique and "usually" has a following of diehard truck lovers. One thing they clearly have in common is their ability to rust to death.
I long ago outgrew the need to reply to the "My dick is longer than your dick" type people. |
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mortinson
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Madrid, España
Vehicle(s): '98 G300TD LWB, '98 E300TD Saloon
Posts: 1355
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I long ago outgrew the need to reply to the "My dick is longer than your dick" type people.
Not surprisingly... being a LR owner |
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