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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543  | Pioneer AVIC-Z110BT installed in 2002 G500 Here's some photos of a Pioneer nav system installed in my MBUSA G500, replacing the Comand system. The most complicated part of this was removing the Comand, and I'll do a separate thread on that little exercise some time. The Pioneer is a standard double-din unit, and it fits in the hole for the Comand exactly. However, it doesn't support itself in there, since it doesn't have the pegs on the sides that the Comand has that slide into a support channel in the truck. The easiest workaround is to put some spacers at the bottom. They need to be exactly 5/8" thick. I happened to have some brass bar stock that size, and you can see the two pieces in one of the photos - the ends are red. You need to be right at 5/8", otherwise the mounting holes won't line up. I just duct-taped them in. The plastic trim piece is from Crutchfield, for a C-class. It is part number 142MZ2340B Mercedes C230 Kit 2002-04. It fits perfectly to the radio and to the hole in the truck, and the mount holes will line up exactly if you use a 5/8" spacer as described above. I had to countersink the plastic side pieces to mount them with the supplied screws. If you don't countersink the plastic, the screws will protrude too much sideways and the radio will not slide in. So that's very simple mechanically. The Crutchfield link is: http://tinyurl.com/yacabxf Hat-tip to forum-member "thearc" for discovering that Crutchfield sold this. I installed the GPS antenna and the XM antenna above the front driver's side headlamp. That is where the factory GPS antenna is for the Comand, so there is already a nice metallic plate to use. The cables need to go into the wheel well, then into the engine bay, then through the firewall. The Pioneer XM module is large compared to others I've used in the G, so I installed it under the passenger seat in the box formerly used to hold the Teleaid system. To do a proper job of running the cables to that location, you need to remove both front seats and the cover over the shifter / handbrake area. You will also need to remove the air ducts at the bottom of the center console below the ashtray before you can pull cables down from the radio. If you lift the rear carpets, there are cable conduits in the body floor you can use to go the last bit to the passenger seat area. You could just hide it all along the edge of the carpet, but you'd hate yourself. Electrical connections are pretty straightforward. If you don't want to cut the existing harness, you can use an adapter. I got one from www.autotoys.com. It is a Metra GSXL, part number is 70-9401. It is for a landrover, but it works on the Comand 2.0 as well. I'm not sure how I figured that out. It plugs into the unused Comand A and B connectors. The Metra link is http://www.metraonline.com/products.aspx?s=70-9401 and the Autotoys link is http://tinyurl.com/y97lotx There are some other connections to make that aren't obvious. The Pioneer can use a speed signal from the truck if it is available, and it makes the system much more responsive and accurate if you use it. You can get this signal from the unused Comand Connector C2, pin 06, the wire is blue+green. To satisfy the lawyers, you need to connect a park brake signal to the Pioneer. If you look at the back of the G500 park brake there are two microswitches. Use the top one, and connect to the grey wire. It stops you watching DVDs while driving. You can google how to defeat this, but I decided to be a boy-scout. I used the supplied microphone, but I have since found the cable for the Mercedes microphone, and I'll give that a try shortly. I bought an interface for the steering-wheel switches, but I haven't had a chance to play with it yet. Posting this for posterity, in case anyone else gives it a shot and searches for info. Edited by W5YK 3/26/2010 11:00 PM (pioneer1.jpg) (pioneer9.jpg) (pioneer10.jpg) (pioneer8.jpg) (pioneer6.jpg) (pioneer7.jpg) (pioneer2.jpg) (pioneer3.jpg) (pioneer4.jpg) Attachments ----------------  pioneer1.jpg (46KB - 27 downloads) pioneer9.jpg (32KB - 15 downloads) pioneer10.jpg (33KB - 16 downloads) pioneer8.jpg (51KB - 13 downloads) pioneer6.jpg (43KB - 19 downloads) pioneer7.jpg (45KB - 14 downloads) pioneer2.jpg (45KB - 13 downloads) pioneer3.jpg (46KB - 13 downloads) pioneer4.jpg (50KB - 16 downloads) | |
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | ||
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| ChuckB02 Member Date registered: Mar 2009 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): '04 UZJ100 (FJ60, UZJ100, FJ55 all sold...) Posts: 41  | ||
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| Indiana Drew Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Tx Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 LWB, 1980 280GE SWB (Sold), S500 Posts: 2223  | ||
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | RE: Pioneer AVIC-Z110BT installed in 2002 G500 Here's some more photos that might be useful. First one shows the air duct below the ashtray. That has to come out so you can run cables behind it. To get it out you tilt the base forward. There is a metal stand to the left of it that has a small control module on top of it, and that has to come out (already removed in photo) before the air duct will come out. Second photo shows the mounting tabs on the side of the Crutchfield trim. You need the spacers below the radio to bring the tabs up vertically to align with the screw holes in the truck. Don't just rely on the tabs to take the weight, there will be too much twisting force on them and they will break first time you go off road I bet. Third one shows the hood fully raised to the windshield to give access to the firewall feed-through hole. To get the windshield to do that, just disconnect the shock absorber that holds it up. The firewall hole is beside the brake booster, near the +12V terminal. Fourth one shows the cable-routing channels in the floor below the passenger seat. There is a cover plate over these normally, and that just pulls off. You can route cable all around the truck using these channels. Fifth picture shows the center area beside the passenger seat. You need to take the cover off to route cables and to connect to the brake switch. It's easy to remove. Just remove the wood pieces around the gear shifter, then the screws all around the base of the carpet skirt, and the whole thing lifts off, carpet and all. Don't try to separate the carpet skirt, it can't be done until the whole assembly is out of the truck. Hope that might help someone someday. Edited by W5YK 3/27/2010 10:38 AM (pioneer11.jpg) (pioneer12.jpg) (pioneer13.jpg) (pioneer14.jpg) (pioneer15.jpg) Attachments ---------------- pioneer11.jpg (46KB - 9 downloads) pioneer12.jpg (46KB - 7 downloads) pioneer13.jpg (46KB - 9 downloads) pioneer14.jpg (51KB - 6 downloads) pioneer15.jpg (57KB - 8 downloads) | |
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| 4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500  | ||
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| martin Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Del Mar, CA Isles of Scilly, UK Vehicle(s): 99 G500 95 E300D 95 R1100GS 06 K1200R Posts: 297  | ||
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | ||
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | RE: Pioneer AVIC-Z110BT installed in 2002 G500 Harald, I don't know where Pioneer gets the maps. I have attached a photo of what it has for La Paz. The red line going north is a nav line measuring the distance to my house. There isn't much documentation in the handbook, and I haven't had much time to play with it, but here's what i've figured so far: -You can save your tracks to an SD card -You can download software from Pioneer that runs on a PC (no Mac) to make Points of Interest from Google Maps, or from Flickr geo-tagged photos, and put them on the SD card. -You can save/import in CSV and KML files May not be perfect for Baja trips, but it looks promising. (pioneer16.jpg) Attachments ---------------- pioneer16.jpg (36KB - 4 downloads) | |
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | RE: Pioneer AVIC-Z110BT installed in 2002 G500 W5YK - 3/27/2010 1:11 PM Harald, I don't know where Pioneer gets the maps. I have attached a photo of what it has for La Paz. The red line going north is a nav line measuring the distance to my house. May not be perfect for Baja trips, but it looks promising. Looks a lot like the Garmin maps in my Nuvi. (Garmin_LaPaz.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Garmin_LaPaz.jpg (101KB - 3 downloads) | |
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| defenderthomas Veteran Date registered: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 Posts: 208 | ||
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | RE: Pioneer AVIC-Z110BT installed in 2002 G500 Here's a photo of the adapter harness I used. It's not essential to use one of these, but it makes life easier. You can do all your wiring on the kitchen table and then just go and plug it in. Much easier than splicing to wires in the truck. The way it comes, all the speaker connections (B-connector) are correct. The power connections (A-connector) are not correct, and you will need to move a couple of pins around. I attached the Comand pinouts so you can figure that out. (metra.jpg) (Comand2pins.jpg) Attachments ---------------- metra.jpg (42KB - 7 downloads) Comand2pins.jpg (76KB - 15 downloads) | |
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| fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | ||
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | ||
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| 4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | ||
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| fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: Pioneer AVIC-Z110BT installed in 2002 G500 4x4abc - 3/27/2010 7:57 PM Karl, you can't beat Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-AVIC-Z110BT-Flagship-Navigation-Bluet... Is it so? 799 after rebate - no tax - no shipping  Karl | |
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| 4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | ||
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| fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: Pioneer AVIC-Z110BT installed in 2002 G500 4x4abc - 3/27/2010 10:38 PM be a good boy and provide the information I thought about giving that info only to my favorite Mercedes-Benz dealership in Calabasas, CA which has no clue 'bout the G-class at all  But you have twisted my arms: http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PIOAVICZ110BT Dear KARL, Thank you for your order number Q22513100. Please take a moment to review your order details. Ship To: KARL Items Ordered: Order Number: SKU Description Qty Price (p er unit) PIOAVICZ110BT Pioneer Pioneer AVIC-Z110BT 7" Flagship In-Dash Navigation AV Receiver with DVD Playback 1 $999.99 PIOCDIU50V Pioneer Pioneer CD-IU50V USB iPod Cable for AVH-P3100DVD 1 $49.99 MTRASWC Metra Metra Axxess ASWC Universal Steering Wheel Control Interface 1 $79.99 Subtotal: Tax (0.00 %): Shipping: Shipping Method: Grand Total: $1,129.97 $0.00 $0.00 UPS Ground $1,129.97 Edited by fernweh 3/28/2010 1:00 PM | |
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| defenderthomas Veteran Date registered: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 Posts: 208 | ||
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| G1979 Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Indialantic, Fl Vehicle(s): G500 2005 Posts: 185 | ||
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