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| petermerle Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Cape Town ( deep south ) Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124 Posts: 1315  | ||
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| bram_r Expert Date registered: Apr 2007 Location: the Netherlands Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD Posts: 1659 | RE: Seals at front differential early W460 Hi Peter, I found two partnumbers for I think the inner seals next to the diff housing: seal pn. a0059977846 for axle number to 7 000560 seal pn. a0079970347 for axle number from 7 000561 maybe you can already do a search on these numbers on hanshehl.de, I'm sure he's got this issue covered  Bram | |
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| petermerle Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Cape Town ( deep south ) Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124 Posts: 1315 | ||
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| bram_r Expert Date registered: Apr 2007 Location: the Netherlands Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD Posts: 1659 | RE: Seals at front differential early W460 You're right, I made a mistake. The right seals at the diff sides (used up to axle 70 23946) should be pn. A0059977047. From axle 70 23947 and up, seal pn. A0089975747 or A0099972847. I think you already knew this since 2006 ( http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/forums/showthread.php?tid=4728&sta... ) For the O-ring I found A0059974748 or A0059974848 (see topic http://pointedthree.com/disc/forums/showthread.php?tid=20338&posts=... for EPC screenprint, ref. 526) I'm not exactly sure on that seal, could be A0059977447 or A0059977547. See topic above for same EPC screenprint, ref. 49). All the best, Bram Edited by bram_r 2/27/2014 4:00 PM | |
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| petermerle Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Cape Town ( deep south ) Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124 Posts: 1315 | ||
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963  | ||
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| petermerle Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Cape Town ( deep south ) Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124 Posts: 1315 | ||
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | ||
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| stubear334 Veteran Date registered: Aug 2009 Location: Montgomery, AL, USA Vehicle(s): 1980 280GE, BMW 318Ti, Infiniti JX35 Posts: 169  | ||
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| petermerle Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Cape Town ( deep south ) Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124 Posts: 1315 | ||
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| Fernando BR Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: Brasil Vehicle(s): G500/05 300GE/91 300GD/80 | ||
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| riaanharman Regular Date registered: Jan 2009 Location: South Africa Vehicle(s): 2012 - G300 Professional / 1984 - 300GD Posts: 79  | ||
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| riaanharman Regular Date registered: Jan 2009 Location: South Africa Vehicle(s): 2012 - G300 Professional / 1984 - 300GD Posts: 79 | ||
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| Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3004  | ||
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| petermerle Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Cape Town ( deep south ) Vehicle(s): W460 *1, W123 *2, W124 Posts: 1315 | ||
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| Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3004 | ||
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| riaanharman Regular Date registered: Jan 2009 Location: South Africa Vehicle(s): 2012 - G300 Professional / 1984 - 300GD Posts: 79 | ||
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| G-AMG G-Class DIY Host Date registered: May 2006 Location: South Texas Vehicle(s): '04 G55, '80 280GE, '99 S420, '98 E320, 2011 E350 | RE: Seals at front differential early W460 Riaan. I am currently living the 'Nightmare' of Early Axle Seals. A few thousand miles ago, I rebuilt the Axles on BOTH my 1980 280GE, as well as 2004 G55 (what are the probabilities that BOTH trucks' bearings simultaneously failed??!!! But they DID!). After a couple thousand miles, I noticed an odd Vibration, followed by a soupy oil oozing out around the right front tire/rim. A quick sniff showed DIFFERENTIAL OIL!!! On the NEW G, it was simple. The Axle Shaft Sealing rings are 'External', on the OUTER end of axle tube. The OLD G original Rebuild?? Despite EPC showing part# A0059977047, my External Tube was waaaaay too small for the Seal, so I returned it. I did not think anything more about it.... Fast-Forward to current Diff Oil leak. Finding an EMPTY Diff Housing (only a small amount of mixed Housing Grease, and Diff Oil), this began a quest for the truth. Thank goodness, I found Dr Hanshehl's site: https://www.hanshehl.de/tipp21b.htm This provided alot of Clues to my problem. I was quite surprised to find such LITTLE info out there about the early axles. My local dealer contacted the M-B Classics Center, who had NO CLUE about any seals. The other person who deserves a HUGE shout-out? Steve at ExpeditionImports!! He found 'Chris' an Ol' Timer G mechanic, who had seen *ONE* such Axle leak in his decades. Come to find out, on the EARLY axles, the Seal for the 'Right' Side/*SHORT* Axle Shaft ( LHD truck, Passenger-Side), the seal is at the INSIDE/MEDIAL portion of the Axle tube (ie.Right Next to the Differential Housing, as it joins the tube.) (See Photo.... Differential Gears REMOVED) Thinking I was smart, I Re-Ordered that original A0059977047 (SAME part # as the Mangled Seal in the photo, including the 'Made in West Germany' markings!! haa haaa). To my DISAPPOINTMENT?? The seal does not 'Seal' my Axle shaft!!! My axle shaft measures 36mm in diameter. The above seal? is 41,5mm Inner Diameter. Not even close, despite it being the correct part. The ONLY way it could seal is if I installed A4603370459 Bushing Ring, but IF I pressed this onto the axle shaft? I would NOT be able to pass the shaft down the Axle Tube!!!! It is too big! After pulling out what Little Hair I have left..... I went ahead and purchased an Aftermarket, Double Lipped Seal which fits PERFECTLY at 62 x 36 x 10 MM. http://www.avxseals.com/mobile/Product.aspx?ProductCode=TC36x62x10 Now, in regards to the *LONG* Axle Shaft (ie. LHD truck, LEFT/DRIVER'S SIDE). Per my research, there is an 'O-Ring' which seals-in the Diff Oil. On Dr Hanshehl's site, he found a seal which matches nicely to the one I found: https://www.oringsandmore.com/fkm-o-ring-32-x-3mm-minimum-2-pcs/ This was the First, and I believe the *LAST* time, I would EVER, EVER need to remove a Differential Gear. It required me using my Hazet 26,000 Newton Spring Compressor in order to 'Squash' the Differential Housing (aka 'Pumpkin') enough to be able to get the stupid thing out! And because of the Crazy-Tight Tolerences? A real NIGHTMARE to get it back in!! Hopefully, this cobbles-together enough Info for anyone else 'Unfortunate' enough to need changing of this inner seal. 'G' (633214053 (1).jpg) Attachments ----------------  633214053 (1).jpg (187KB - 0 downloads) | |
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | ||
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| riaanharman Regular Date registered: Jan 2009 Location: South Africa Vehicle(s): 2012 - G300 Professional / 1984 - 300GD Posts: 79 | ||
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