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P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible
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Posted 9/9/2019 11:47 AM
fernweh



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P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Hello my friends, specially G-AMG, as he had dealt with this error before.

My friend Thomas and I are baffled by the following scenario:

His 2006 G400 with over 300K Km broke down with a serious transmission (722.6) problem. He ordered a new built one in Germany, specific built for his G400 Diesel.
After a few month the tranny arrived here in La Paz, BCS, Mexico.
We both remove the old one, and installed the new built one, complete with new torque converter, new oil cooler and cleaned out oil lines.
He filled the correct ATF fluid per specs.
After start up, his G-wagen moved forward and backwards again, BUT:

When VG in "H", only in the second gear, with no up- or down shifting.
When VG in "L", shifting through all gears, but shift point around 4000 rpm.

The DAS shows no transmission errors, and not being in emergency limp-mode.

The DAS shows VG error code: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

We erased all error codes, normalized the VG (High & Low) then:

When VG in "H" and shift selector into "D", the "H" in the display disappears, but the G starts driving in "H" - only 2nd gear.

When VG in "L" and shift selector into "D", the "L" in the display stays on, and the G starts driving in "L", with shifting not before 4000 rpm.

Ok since then, we have changed out the VG shift motor, changed out the wiring harness from motor to control unit, and changed out the VG control unit - NO changes what so ever!

Thomas mentioned during our frustrated discussions, that he encountered the disappearing "H" for some times, way before the G400 transmission went out.
So, this "H" thing might have nothing to do with the current transmission problems.

The transmission builder a reputable shop in Germany, thinks that all related error code must be repaired/cleared before hand.......

BTW the transmission control unit in the vehicle is still the original one, and has not been touched......

How can we get rid of the P2213 code?

What does make the tranny behave like it does?

Thank you my friends for joining the discussion.
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Posted 9/11/2019 8:24 PM
otiswesty
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Have you pulled the trans control unit to make sure it is not full of ATF? It can wick up the harness from a leaky O-ring in the input to the trans.
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Posted 9/12/2019 10:31 AM
fernweh



Date registered: Apr 2006
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

otiswesty - 9/11/2019 6:24 PM

Have you pulled the trans control unit to make sure it is not full of ATF? It can wick up the harness from a leaky O-ring in the input to the trans.


No,

Has anybody ever found ATF oil in the control unit? I can see the fluid wick up the harness, but how is it getting through a standard multi pin connector into the transmission control unit?
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Posted 9/12/2019 11:14 AM
paulunm
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Common on the 722.6. Replace the connector with an OE Mercedes or Chrysler part.

You'll also need to clean the circuit board. Some good YouTube vids on this topic.
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Posted 9/12/2019 11:30 AM
fernweh



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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

paulunm - 9/12/2019 9:14 AM

Common on the 722.6. Replace the connector with an OE Mercedes or Chrysler part.

You'll also need to clean the circuit board. Some good YouTube vids on this topic.


Thank you,

we shall take the center console apart, scheduled now on next Saturday.

I will follow up with info and pictures......
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Posted 9/12/2019 12:03 PM
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

I thought the TCU is found underneath the vehicle? I could be wrong, I've never done this myself.
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Posted 9/12/2019 2:07 PM
fernweh



Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

No, the transmission control unit is mounted under center dashboard ashtray, on the kardan tunnel.

We want to check/test all the wiring from the transfer case control box, gear selector to the transmission control unit.

If we strike oil, I let you all know.
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Posted 9/12/2019 11:56 PM
otiswesty
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

I know multiple people that had G500 with TCU full of ATF. Mostly 1999-2000 version. This is in TCU that are in the electronics box under the hood, still very high above the trans. Amazing that it happens. It is possible that in later year versions it is less likely to occur due to wiring and plug changes.
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Posted 9/13/2019 9:20 AM
fernweh



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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

otiswesty - 9/12/2019 9:56 PM

I know multiple people that had G500 with TCU full of ATF. Mostly 1999-2000 version. This is in TCU that are in the electronics box under the hood, still very high above the trans. Amazing that it happens. It is possible that in later year versions it is less likely to occur due to wiring and plug changes.


Hi Eric,
Could you post a picture of that unit, so we are not opening unnecessary items, and it is not much fun working on those adventure vehicles at 106F.......

Edited by fernweh 9/13/2019 9:20 AM
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Posted 9/13/2019 12:56 PM
otiswesty
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

I am more familiar now with the older G500 and 463 before 2001, but I did find this for you. I hope it is helpful.

This is from one of Vlad's free online manuals


Edited by otiswesty 9/13/2019 12:59 PM




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Posted 9/13/2019 1:04 PM
otiswesty
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Also check the condition of the battery and clear the fault codes as I am sure you are doing.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/g500-transmission-troubles.1580377...

Edited by otiswesty 9/13/2019 1:06 PM
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Posted 9/23/2019 8:43 AM
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Wiring connector and conductor plate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv8z0EukVKc
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=722.6


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Posted 9/27/2019 9:04 PM
fernweh



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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Thank you guys,

we have done almost everything......today we have replace the TC control unit with a brand new one, latest part#/software. still the same problems.

We have constantly cleared the error codes, initialized the new unit, leaned the shift and so on.

No problems shifting the transfer case with the Xentri or via the console switch, back and forth from H to L, many times.....always with the engine running and the transmission in N.

No error codes will come up. When being with the TC in L, and shifting the transmission from N into D, no problems, no error code.

Now, when being with the TC in H, and shifting from N into D, the H in the display disappears and the P2213 Error code comes up.

If somebody with a W463 / 722.6 transmission and a DAS or Xentry system, could you please go into the TC (VG) control unit, and show me the "Actual Values" displayed from your TC?

Here is the pic from our TC, while in L

and the second pic, while in H

Thank you for your interest and/or help




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Posted 10/2/2019 8:14 PM
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

well, hmm,

I was wanting to get ya the screenshot. But surprise, I have the P2213 stored as well.

I have that intermittent issue with the TC going to neutral - but everything else TC wise is working fine.
So, my conclusion would be that the P2213 is not mission critical

Let me know whther you still would like a screenshot

Good luck finding the gremlin
Oskar
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Posted 10/3/2019 12:41 PM
otiswesty
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

So was the transmission control unit fine? No fluid in it?
Voltages look good.

I had a cup of coffee dump into my shifter assembly a few years ago and lost shifter function, stuck in 2nd. I had to replace the whole unit.

Edited by otiswesty 10/3/2019 12:44 PM
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Posted 10/4/2019 1:57 PM
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Thank you Oskar,

it is a weird error code, obviously it appears when you have a TC shift problem, and it is stored then to memory.
We do have that error code as current and stored.....
BTW I found two TCU readouts at Heinz Hehl's website for the L and H shift mode, and those readouts are matching exactly what we have here.
That's indicates to my, that there is not a TC problem at all.

But the new/built 722.6 transmission is still only in the second gear, when the TC is in H, and not shifting at all. The transmission control unit does not show any error codes at all, and not being in limp mode as well......clean slate!

Thank you Eric,

No, there was no oil anywhere, and could not gotten into the control unit at all, as it is mounted on top of the Kardan Tunnel with two large multi-pin connectors.......

We removed the shifter assembly, took it apart and found this switch on the shifter axle, it looks to me, that there might be some contact lines missing..... Remember, when the TC is in H and the shifter is moved into D, the H disappears from the display.......



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Posted 10/8/2019 7:21 PM
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

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But the new/built 722.6 transmission is still only in the second gear, when the TC is in H, and not shifting at all. The transmission control unit does not show any error codes at all, and not being in limp mode as well......clean slate!
<<

taken from my electronic experience, I would think that the new/built 722.6 needs a different or additional signal that the old broken one did not need. "not backwards compatible"

Oskar
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Posted 11/10/2019 11:27 PM
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Karl - when my TC shift motor was failing, I got the P2213 error all the time. After I replaced it, I never saw that code again. I guess the control module is telling the motor to turn one way and the direction sensor says it went the other way. I know the control module is testing the shift motor every time the vehicle is turned on. It pushes it to the end and backs off a little, just to be sure it is engaged. So you can get the error even when you didn't shift the TC into H or L yourself. Maybe try pulling the motor off the TC, but leave it connected, and see if you can fool it.

Here is my TC shifter values from when it was failing....

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Posted 11/11/2019 5:09 PM
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

W5YK - 11/10/2019 9:27 PM

Karl - when my TC shift motor was failing, I got the P2213 error all the time. After I replaced it, I never saw that code again. I guess the control module is telling the motor to turn one way and the direction sensor says it went the other way. I know the control module is testing the shift motor every time the vehicle is turned on. It pushes it to the end and backs off a little, just to be sure it is engaged. So you can get the error even when you didn't shift the TC into H or L yourself. Maybe try pulling the motor off the TC, but leave it connected, and see if you can fool it.

Here is my TC shifter values from when it was failing....


Thank you Richard,
for your info.

We are only getting that P2213 error, when the VG is in "H", and the transmission is being shifted into "D".

We can do all other shift scenarios without getting that error. Pls remember, everything is new, shift motor, harness to the control unit and the latest control unit itself.

Still I like to know, where and what is that component "Direction Sensor"?
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

fernweh
I didn't read this entire thread so forgive me if I might have missed parts of your question!

Long shot (concerning direction sensor) if it's any help, I read a everything I could find, before removing the command/radio and upgrading. In all that dry reading, the mention of direction sensor came up once and I took it as, something built into the command. Not sure what year your truck is..I have an 2004, came with the analog emergency call junk.. I assumed the direction sensor as part of the GPS and auto dial for emergency.
So I'll guess it must have been located in the command or the auto dial logic board/box located under the passenger seat.
For all it's worth, that was several years ago.
Best of luck with this.
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