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Posted 4/11/2007 2:09 PM
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Considering an M Class

I have begun to feel my age the last few long gtrips I have done in my G, so I am now seriously considering a used 270CDI M class, are there any pitfalls in ownership, what should I look out for.
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RE: Considering an M Class

I don't know much about the European models, but I do know the 7 speed automatic transmissions have been giving trouble.
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Posted 4/13/2007 3:07 PM
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cmitch - 4/11/2007 6:02 PM

I don't know much about the European models, but I do know the 7 speed automatic transmissions have been giving trouble.


7 speed aut transmission was a problem initially, but it has since been resolved with the help of firmware update or valve assembly update.

My car had the same problem, but after valve assembly change it has been working just fine, and mine was a 2005 build bought in May 2005.

Hope this helps...!!

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Posted 4/13/2007 4:31 PM
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Thats great thanks, there doesnt seem to be too many gremlins then, the one I am looking at is a 2003.
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roughneck - 4/13/2007 4:31 PM

Thats great thanks, there doesnt seem to be too many gremlins then, the one I am looking at is a 2003.


Then, you're in the wrong forum. 2003 is W163.
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We have an ML270 CDI owner here by the name of marcelc.
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Posted 4/14/2007 4:57 AM
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you do mean a w163!

we've got a 2000 270cdi that was the first car we've bought from new and its not been to shabby. the build is not as good as on our '99 slk but its still nice and tough. as you mentioned, on a long journey its a nice ride. we did a high speed run from here (chalfont, bucks) to leominster the other week and got a return of 30-32mpg which i thought was quite good and we've had better on more cruised runs from nottingham and back etc. ive spent more time behind the wheel of it lately and im getting quite fond of it, even though i am a g lover really.

theres plenty of them about.

Tom

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Posted 4/14/2007 5:15 PM
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DUTCH - 4/13/2007 10:10 PM

roughneck - 4/13/2007 4:31 PM

Thats great thanks, there doesnt seem to be too many gremlins then, the one I am looking at is a 2003.


Then, you're in the wrong forum. 2003 is W163.


I'm leaving now
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RE: Considering an M Class

firstmb - 4/13/2007 3:07 PM

cmitch - 4/11/2007 6:02 PM

I don't know much about the European models, but I do know the 7 speed automatic transmissions have been giving trouble.


7 speed aut transmission was a problem initially, but it has since been resolved with the help of firmware update or valve assembly update.

My car had the same problem, but after valve assembly change it has been working just fine, and mine was a 2005 build bought in May 2005.

Hope this helps...!!



I don't think the 7G-Tronic was available in 2003.
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Posted 4/14/2007 7:35 PM
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DUTCH - 4/14/2007 6:04 PM
firstmb - 4/13/2007 3:07 PM
cmitch - 4/11/2007 6:02 PM I don't know much about the European models, but I do know the 7 speed automatic transmissions have been giving trouble.
7 speed aut transmission was a problem initially, but it has since been resolved with the help of firmware update or valve assembly update. My car had the same problem, but after valve assembly change it has been working just fine, and mine was a 2005 build bought in May 2005. Hope this helps...!!
I don't think the 7G-Tronic was available in 2003.
He thought roughneck was talking about the W164 because the thread was posted in here.
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Posted 4/14/2007 7:55 PM
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cant thi thread be moved to w163?
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tclynes - 4/14/2007 7:55 PM

cant thi thread be moved to w163?


Good idea. Done.
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RE: Considering an M Class

Now that we know you're talking about the W163, where do we start?

Okay, since it is a 2003, you're better off with one of those. The fit and finish/quality of the 2002 and up is miles ahead of their predecessors. I know this to be a fact because I own a 99 and 2002. The '99 is a little too 'plasticky'. But the 2002 actually rattles a little more in the back gate area. I know my rear bumper cover is loose and I'll try to tighten it but rear lift gate rattles are known in this vehicle. Also, tranny reliability, for some reason or other, took a dive in 03 models from the best year-2002, according to Consumer Reports. Of course, the notorious Mass Air Flow sensors and power steering hoses continue to plague even this model. I am also sure the torsion bars will be as noisy as the miles accumulate. I have had extremely good luck with my '99 but my '02 is plagued with the still, unresolved, rear seat fiasco, even though it is a different design from the '99. It has broken twice since I've had it and I've had it, so to speak. My '99 rear seat has froze up only once and it still works. All in all, I prefer the '99 for reliability but the '02 for fit and finish. The '02 is much more comfortable than the '99 on long rides. I drove from Houston 14 1/2 hours in it. I could not have made it in the '99. If you are looking for a 2003, spring for a ML500. I don't think the fuel savings is worth that much when you can have the power a 500 will give you. Once up to speed, my ML320 is competent enough but it's response when passing is lack luster compared to the 430. Fuel economy is not what I expected from the 320, either. I actually get 1 mpg more on the highway in the ML430 than the 320. I wish they still made the 430.

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RE: Considering an M Class

roughneck - 4/11/2007 2:09 PM

I have begun to feel my age the last few long gtrips I have done in my G, so I am now seriously considering a used 270CDI M class, are there any pitfalls in ownership, what should I look out for.


Roughneck, you will surely get as many opinions about your venture as there are froum users here. That's because most of us have experienced one or more similar and/or unique problems with these trucks. First off, you did well coming here before your purchase. Secondly, if you do buy a W163, do not expect a Lexus/Toyota/Honda quality or reliability - unless you're one of the lucky ones to have one that was built on a good Wednesday!!!! Thirdly, you're doing good getting a 03 model year. The quality improvement from 98 - 03 is outstanding. I'd advice to look for a 04 or 05 though, and make it a 500 if you love OOOOOmmmmpppppphhhh!!!!!. I went from a 02 320 to a 05 500 and the quality improvement was again outstanding even though the materials used to put the truck together never changed!!! The fun factor, on the other hand, is out of this world!!

Like I pointed out, these vehicles have quality/reliability issues but if you do your homework you'll not be disappointed at all. Besides CarFax and insurance check for flood damaged vehicles, make sure to have the dealer (i.e., MB shop) check the vehicle over for any issues. Have them give you a print-out of the vehicle service history using the VIN. Service should come at 10-13K intervals. If done earlier, bonus for you. Ask for recalls/technical service bulletins - Power steering hose, coolant hose, tranny leak at sensor and fuel sending unit are a few that come to mind - NHSTA has a list you can study on their web site. Typical problems to watch out for are listed in this post: http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88443. If for dome reason the link doesn't show, Google MBWorld.

Why do I go to this length for you? Well I want you to have a great ride. I have driven Lexus, Toyota, Nissan, Infinity and even the W164 ML350 truck. The only ones that I haven't driven (excluding domestics) are the Bimmer, the new Audi and the Porsche Cayenne. In my opinion, value for value, the W63 ML 350 is way up there!!!!! Fun factor wise, it's hard to beat the ML500, period. My advice for you is to do your homework and come back to this forum whenever you have any questions. If you do that, you will end up with a great ML. If you don't, you'll come back here and complain and we'll grin at you, smack you on the head and eventually help you out of whatever misery you'd have!!!!

Edited by Darkmann 4/16/2007 11:10 PM
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Posted 4/17/2007 9:32 AM
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remember like me roughneck is in the uk where our fuel is absolutely crazy compared and (tell me if im wrong bill) i get the feeling performance isnt what your after in a 4x4.

also im sure the 270CDI was built in Austria at that well known plant, correct me if im wrong, but the build quality is usually better, we've got a slight rattle from ours but it turns out its just a badly fitted number plate on the rear door that was an after purchase change.

Tom
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Posted 4/18/2007 11:35 AM
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tclynes - 4/17/2007 2:32 PM

remember like me roughneck is in the uk where our fuel is absolutely crazy compared and (tell me if im wrong bill) i get the feeling performance isnt what your after in a 4x4.

also im sure the 270CDI was built in Austria at that well known plant, correct me if im wrong, but the build quality is usually better, we've got a slight rattle from ours but it turns out its just a badly fitted number plate on the rear door that was an after purchase change.

Tom


Diesel M-Class's built after about March 2002 were built in Alabama, before that they were build in Graz (to the best of my knowledge).

Mine is a April 2002 ML 270CDi and was built in Alabama, we did 500 miles in it yesterday mosly round Wales and to and from home in Berkshire.

I don't know of another vehicle I would rather drive, many other SUV's are larger on the outside (and many of those are smaller on the inside ) which is not too good in the narrow UK roads. I find the ML (W163) is not a compromise vehicle capable of off-road driving, motorway driving, mountain road driving and country road driving, I reckon it is a very good drive indeed in all those categories.

The build quality is OK, maybe not the best Mercedes are responsible for, but OK. I have extensively sound proofed it which amplifies noise from rattles and I don't have any. Now I have fixed a small air leak on the vacuum pipe to the brake servo the brakes are absolutely perfect, acceleration is not too fast in 5th gear but is OK in fourth and excellent in first, second and third.

Diesel consumption is about 27 to 28mpg (UK gallon) measured from tank to tank, it will cruise nearly to 90mph before the consumption drops below 30mpg on a flat motorway and is very stable at any speed up to 115mph.

The only pitfalls in ownership I have come across were due to dealers not the ML itself.

Well, having said no pitfalls, that is with the exception of warming up in winter, it takes 10 miles to warm up in winter and is a cold car for most of that time, it is a good job I have heated seats. I don't recommend a ML270 for driving short distances, shops, etc. in winter, other than that I can 'warmly' recommend it.



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Posted 4/25/2007 4:28 PM
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Marcelc - 4/18/2007 10:35
Diesel M-Class's built after about March 2002 were built in Alabama, before that they were build in Graz (to the best of my knowledge).

Actually, the diesels were built in Alabama prior to that (I lusted after them rolling off the line in April 2001 when I was there for the factory delivery of my ML320). 
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