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G-AMG
G-Class DIY Host
Date registered: May 2006
Location: South Texas
Vehicle(s): '04 G55, '80 280GE, '99 S420, '98 E320, 2011 E350
| Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
Greets.
Since I am still dead in the water, I might as well post the work I did to replace the Toasted starter.
Please note, the Torque values are NOT listed for the 280GE in the WIS.... I am using values for a NON-G vehicle so use your own judgment as to whether or not you want to apply them. For the size of bolts, the values seemed "reasonable" to me.... (but so also did Capt. Smith of the Titanic think it "reasonable" to keep at full speed in iceberg alley.....)
I DO know, though, that over tightening the posts on the starter and solenoid CAN damage the unit. 6 Nm for the solenoid, and 14 Nm for the Battery cable sounded OK.
I thought I remembered reading that OTHER G's needed a 10mm Inhex bit to remove the starter. Not mine. 19mm Top Bolt Screws directly into the Starter's threaded hole. The lower is a Bolt and Nut set-up, also 19mm.
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
G-AMG - 10/5/2008 2:04 PM
I thought I remembered reading that OTHER G's needed a 10mm Inhex bit to remove the starter. Not mine. 19mm Top Bolt Screws directly into the Starter's threaded hole. The lower is a Bolt and Nut set-up, also 19mm.
I wonder if a PO modified it. Factory on my 84 280GE took the 10 mm hex bit swivel socket - both upper and lower. |
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roughneck
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: UK, Germany & USA
Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2
Posts: 4398
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
All in order but only 8 from 10. I have my doubts about using a puller to remove the + battery clamp. if it accidently contacts any metal part it will weld itself to it and cause unimaginable damage. |
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Jonathan Joseph
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Date registered: Oct 2006
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Vehicle(s): 2004 G55
Posts: 1538
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
Bill
How about removing the negative first? Problem solved.
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G-AMG
G-Class DIY Host
Date registered: May 2006
Location: South Texas
Vehicle(s): '04 G55, '80 280GE, '99 S420, '98 E320, 2011 E350
| Re: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
Bill, Yes, I am paranoid-ly cautious around electrical stuff. It gives me the creeps.
Hmmm, the puller is specifically made for battery terminals.
JJ, I was under the impression that JUST removing the Negative lead doesn't always, 100% "Disconnect" the battery from the vehicle. Am I incorrect? I obviously want to do things the correct and safest possible way.
G |
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G-AMG
G-Class DIY Host
Date registered: May 2006
Location: South Texas
Vehicle(s): '04 G55, '80 280GE, '99 S420, '98 E320, 2011 E350
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
DUTCH - 10/5/2008 2:40 PM
G-AMG - 10/5/2008 2:04 PM
I thought I remembered reading that OTHER G's needed a 10mm Inhex bit to remove the starter. Not mine. 19mm Top Bolt Screws directly into the Starter's threaded hole. The lower is a Bolt and Nut set-up, also 19mm.
I wonder if a PO modified it. Factory on my 84 280GE took the 10 mm hex bit swivel socket - both upper and lower.
Dutch, Yes, I was surprised too. The bolts which attach the starter, are actually part of the system of bolts holding the "Bell Housing?" to transmission. |
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
G-AMG - 10/5/2008 4:01 PM
DUTCH - 10/5/2008 2:40 PM
G-AMG - 10/5/2008 2:04 PM
I thought I remembered reading that OTHER G's needed a 10mm Inhex bit to remove the starter. Not mine. 19mm Top Bolt Screws directly into the Starter's threaded hole. The lower is a Bolt and Nut set-up, also 19mm.
I wonder if a PO modified it. Factory on my 84 280GE took the 10 mm hex bit swivel socket - both upper and lower.
Dutch, Yes, I was surprised too. The bolts which attach the starter, are actually part of the system of bolts holding the "Bell Housing?" to transmission.
It's been so long ago (~20 yrs) since I removed the starter, that I don't remember any more details other than the 10 mm hex bit swivel socket and a couple of long extensions to reach the bolt. One difference might be that my tranny was the 5-speed manual Getrag. |
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J.R.
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Southern Maryland
Vehicle(s): 00 G500, 09 911 4S, 11 Cayenne S, 86 280GE (sold)
Posts: 828
| Re: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
Negative/Ground first. Always.
No negative hooked up, no complete circuit. Caution though, if your negative cable "sneaks" back up to the terminal, and sometimes there is enough memory in the cable to do that, you could be in for a big surprise. If I am working in close proximity to the battery, usually i will remove the battery completely. It is a startling event (and very dangerous) to watch one of your tools make a complete circuit across the power source that is equivalent to an arc welder.
When I was 16, I disconnected the + cable (vice '-' cable) on a vehicle to work on it and my metal wrist watch band completed a circuit between the + battery terminal and the frame of the truck. My friends swear it was the funniest things they every saw. The tool box of the tools my dad gave me for XMAS (he was tired of me borrowing and losing his. A smart man) got bent pretty good. Still have it to this day. Didn't hurt the watch time keeping wise, but left some slag and torch marks on the wrist band. It made for some stories later on.
I think that was one of my earliest uses on my +9 lives.
Edited by J.R. 10/5/2008 5:08 PM
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Jonathan Joseph
Expert
Date registered: Oct 2006
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Vehicle(s): 2004 G55
Posts: 1538
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
Completely different but my auto diesel also uses the 10mm allen socket head bolts.
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nadd
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: UAE, Dubai
Vehicle(s): G500 2016 LHD, numerous Chevys
Posts: 1285
| Re: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
G-AMG when you are next in the garage why don't you snap a photo of your toolbox/chest? I like the range of tools you have... |
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kerry460
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: tasmania australia
Vehicle(s): 1984 300GD LWB WAGEN
Posts: 611
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
G,,day my 460 also uses capscrews.
i also shorted my watchband many years ago,
the burn was bad , second degree,
its not the nicest seeing tendons .
12 volts can be dangerous
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roughneck
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: UK, Germany & USA
Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2
Posts: 4398
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
In my youth it was faishinable to wear a brass nuckle duster type ring self made in the apprentice shop, A careless co worker lost a finger whilst removing a battery, arked the spanner to the battery and the ring. Horrific. thus my caution. |
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G-AMG
G-Class DIY Host
Date registered: May 2006
Location: South Texas
Vehicle(s): '04 G55, '80 280GE, '99 S420, '98 E320, 2011 E350
| Re: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
Gents,
Thanks for setting me straight on this matter.
I sheepishly admit the errors of my ways, and will reform myself!
Such power gives me the creeps, even when I do treat anything around the battery as if it were Nitroglycerine! |
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Jonathan Joseph
Expert
Date registered: Oct 2006
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Vehicle(s): 2004 G55
Posts: 1538
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
I was probably about ten and "helping" my Dad work on the car when I set a big double ended off-set box wrench down on both battery posts. I still have trouble touching both battery posts with my bare hands at the same time today! I think I might have actually been attempting to make it touch both posts. Pow!
Jonathan
I also have a friend with a permanent wedding ring scar from where he shorted a high voltage DC system out through the gold ring and his finger. Fortunately he still has the finger and is still married! |
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roughneck
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: UK, Germany & USA
Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2
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| Re: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
G-AMG - 10/6/2008 4:57 PM
Gents,
Thanks for setting me straight on this matter.
I sheepishly admit the errors of my ways, and will reform myself!
Such power gives me the creeps, even when I do treat anything around the battery as if it were Nitroglycerine!
Thanks for taking your chastisement in good spirit, a stich in time and all that, great article tho, good show, jolly good show old chap  |
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MatthewHorvat280GE
Member
Date registered: Nov 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon
Vehicle(s): 280GE/617A
Posts: 6
| Re: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
Howdy Gents,
Perhaps you'll have a thought on a Starter issue that I'm having with my 280GE/ 617A. It seemed like there was a bad solenoid which called for a new starter. It would go 9 times out of 10, but that 10th time it took a couple of dozen turns of the key to engage the starter and get going.
But it is happening again with the NEW starter. Seems to only happen with the engine hot, but not every time the motor is hot.
I checked the voltage at the solenoid and it read fine. Yet the motor wouldn't crank.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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G-AMG
G-Class DIY Host
Date registered: May 2006
Location: South Texas
Vehicle(s): '04 G55, '80 280GE, '99 S420, '98 E320, 2011 E350
| Re: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
Have you removed the major Grounding points on the frame, cleaned thoroughly (nice and shiny), and corrosion blocked them? This would be the first place "I" would look... Obviously, also check to make sure the Positive Path is clean and intact.
The next pathway of diagnosis is the Starter Switch itself. |
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MatthewHorvat280GE
Member
Date registered: Nov 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon
Vehicle(s): 280GE/617A
Posts: 6
| Re: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
G-AMG,
Thanks for the thoughts. I've been thinking this may be an issue and low and behold, there is a ground wire that has been torn off the transmission.
:):):)
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kerry460
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: tasmania australia
Vehicle(s): 1984 300GD LWB WAGEN
Posts: 611
| RE: Photo DIY- Starter Replacement 280GE M110 Engine
G,,day a tip that is obvious.
the starter needs to be twisted around to get it down and out.
a piece of cord down through the manifold, tied around the groove on the solenoid.
it allows someone to take the weight as you juggle it underneath,
same for reinstalling.
it also is less painful than arthritic fingers looseing grip, and the starter lands on your other hand ,
from high enough to not be nice.
cheers kerry |
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